Bantou Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 What do y’all use to finish a dinner bell/triangle? I tried BLO but it developed rust spots after the first rain. I’m debating using a clear coat. My concerns are: 1) The clear coat being damaged/cracking when the bell is rung. 2) The thickness of the clear coat hampering the bell’s sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 I like Trewax carnuba paste wax. Bowling Alley Wax is another carnuba paste wax. Either is extremely tough, carnuba wax is why they have to SAND bowling alleys to strip the wax. I apply it to "fresh cup of coffee" temp steel/iron with the rag I keep in the can. Wipe it on and wipe the excess off with the other rag I keep in the can. When the "Wax Off" rag stops offing enough wax it becomes a "Wax On" rag. I've had a number of forges steel plant hangers finished this way outside for getting close to 20 years and there's no rust, not even where hanging pots or sign rests on the hook and swings in the wind. Carnuba is very hard so if there are thick spots it can and will chip. By excess I mean just short of exposing bare metal, "Wax Offing" it. I also have forgings outside finished with the "wax, soot and turpentine" recipe in "The Art Of Blacksmithing" by Alex Bealer. and it's holding up well. Almost. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anvil Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 I apply blo, turps, and beeswax mix hot. Depending on location, it's pretty durable. However, treat it like a piece of outside furniture and give it a quick rub down with a good carnuba based furniture/car polish like Frosty says, when needed and after a bit of time, the finish will not rust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bantou Posted July 5, 2021 Author Share Posted July 5, 2021 Thank you Frosty and Anvil. I think I have a can of Meguiars carnuba based wax in my car washing stuff. On 7/3/2021 at 12:29 PM, Frosty said: I also have forgings outside finished with the "wax, soot and turpentine" recipe in "The Art Of Blacksmithing" by Alex Bealer. Frosty, can you explain this mix? I don’t have that book yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Yeah. Bealer supplied a recipe without more than approximations for proportions nor how he measured them. 1/3 soot (lamp black in the book) 1/3 wax, not specified I used paraffin and later bees. and 1/3 turpentine. He melted the wax and gradually added the turps and lastly mixed the soot until it was thoroughly mixed. He didn't mention a double boiler either, I HIGHLY recommend using one if you're adding a volatile solvent to melted wax! I tested the consistency by cooling a little and stopped adding turps when it was a stiff paste wax consistency. I burned a BUNCH of acet generating soot so the first can was B L A C K but excess didn't wipe off as well as I'd like. The small batch I tried with bees wax and art store carbon black made a nicer paste with less turps and the excess wiped of cleaner. Both have held up well. I've never used car wax containing carnuba, nor the Johnson's paste wax containing carnuba. My experience is with Trewax which is JUST carnuba and enough volatile solvents to soften it into paste wax consistency. I tried Bowling Alley wax once from another smith's tin and couldn't tell the difference in the can or on the finished piece. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anvil Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 For what it's worth, carnuba based furniture/car polish are just variations on a theme, as is tree wax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Time to wake this thread up. I just finished making a bell triangle for a trade item at our BOA meeting Saturday. I usually just use bees wax on warm stock but as my luck would have it I couldn't find our block of bees wax. I got to looking around in my extensive stock of "stuff" to see what might work. I found a can of Ballistol that is used for rest preventive in firearms. It was developed during WW II by the German army and I have used it on some of my blackpowder muzzleloaders. I wiped the triangle down cold with a good coating of it and we will see how well it works. It did darken the finish a little but didn't affect the ring at all. The smell of the stuff is not the most pleasant, kinda like licorice so my wife has banned it's use in the house. The smell goes away after a while though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 All the car polishes I've looked at are mostly silicone with maybe 15% carnuba. Trewax and Bowling alley wax are carnuba with enough oil to soften them a little. I don't know what you may have available locally so read the ingredients on the can. Carnuba is a food grade wax so it's available in a relatively pure form. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 Fred Crist tells me that he uses Rustoleum Universal Hammered paint for all exterior applications, unless a client specifies otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anvil Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Lol, Thats a big boo for a finish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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