Brian Evans Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I made a JABOD design forge and decided to have the final coating be refractory cement instead of dirt. (Hercules brand refractory cement/mortar) Due to the very flowy nature of the cement I wanted to fire it before I made it look nice (hence the ridges and bumps). After waiting 2 days (4 hours to dry was recommended) I lit it up and afterwards the fire pot was green and looked like it was glass almost. Have any of you encountered this? Should I worry? Yes I know it looks hideous at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzkill Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Looks a lot like the results I got when using a refractory mortar for the lining of a gas forge. It was supposed to be rated to 3000 degrees F, but at high temperatures it got sticky, kind of like peanut butter, and when it cooled it was glass-like. You don't really need something like that in a solid fuel forge anyway. Dirt/clay/ash should do fine without any refractory coating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles R. Stevens Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I'm not familiar with that refractory, but I know that charcoal will get hot enough to melt steel. Your refractory just may not be rated for the temp of your forge running flat out. As we don't forge modern steel at white hot like wraught, turn the air down a bit. Buzz kill beat me to it, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Evans Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 Thanks guys, I shall turn my blower down more. I was just using pine scraps when I fired it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles R. Stevens Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I use a lot of construction off cuts (soft wood) to make charcoal. Most steels these days forge between orange and yellow, using charcoal you can get their with a minimum of fire fleas and flames. Remember to let it soak to insure even heat threw out (first heat) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Evans Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 what is the best way to make charcoal? I normally use coal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles R. Stevens Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Not sure about a "best way" A steel bucket with a lid or a clamp top drum. You put a few air holes around the bottom and a tight fitting lid with one small hole. Start a fire, and pack the can with wood, when it's all lit put in the lid and plug the bottom holes. A Google search will show you what the black powder guys are doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Does it matter if the best way costs more than your house and involves several years of getting Government permits and inspections and employs 32 people? Best is a useless term without more information. When I lived inside the city in OKC I would start a wood fire in a stainless steel sink and once it was going well (experience!), put a matching sink over it and plug any holes. I'd get at least 50% efficiency and often more using scrap wood. Now I generally just light a fire in my raised firepit and transfer hot coals over using a shaker shovel as needed. I also sift the ashes from my airtight woodstove each time I clean it and dump the cold charcoal in a 55 gallon drum with a good sealing top. Don't claim any of these are "best" though; I'm more interested in "easy" and "cheap"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman7 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 The last time that I stayed at a campground I went to all of the unoccupied sites and collected the charcoal. Had to dry some of it out, but it worked fine. I would recommend a relatively airtight metal container for this. How many times have you heard "I thought it was out". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I've had that happen with coal; thought it was out and dumped the firepot into a steel 5 gallon bucket and loaded the truck and trucked. Driving along I look in my rearview mirror and see the side of the bucket glowing red.....oops! No damage though and that time the coke was floating....I've heard of a smith having a truck fire that way too---and charcoal is even worse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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