blacksmith-450 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I really enjoy making burner. I did the «Oliver Upwind» but I opened the holes along the length. I also added a sliding choke (not on the picture) but it is useless since I do not need to do any air restriction. The only adjustment remains the flare. Since i took the picture I filed the slots for a better look. The jet is a no.60 hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 The third photo show an acceptable flame for use in a forge; it is a neutral flame, with an acceptably small secondary flame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksmith-450 Posted July 6, 2017 Author Share Posted July 6, 2017 Thanks Mike, I am beginning to be able to identify an adequate flame through your good advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 I am a notorious perfectionist picky butt. And Burners 101 needs to be saved from my druthers. Workable burners are the goal; that is one. I would be pleased to see it on that thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksmith-450 Posted July 11, 2017 Author Share Posted July 11, 2017 I changed the flare... a simple 1inch pipe x 2 inches long. The flame style good ! This one is ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Yes, that is a nuetral 100 % primary combustion single flame envelope, It reminds me of the flames from my early Mikey burners. Congratulations, that is a whole lot of flame perfection, considering the design you wore working from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Yeah, your burner gets TWO gold stars! Well done, you have that baby tuned to a fare thee well. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksmith-450 Posted July 13, 2017 Author Share Posted July 13, 2017 Thank you Sirs ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 I would sure appreciate those flame pictures, and a write up of the changes you made to get from one to the others, on the Burner 101 thread. Otherwise, they become much harder for people to see at the end of the month, when they will join all the other old files. I want people to see that they don't need a perfect burner design to end up with a great flame. Also they make a fine example of how much, some tweaks in a finished burner can radically change its flame. I can post perfect flames coming out of perfect burners forever, without doing as much good for people who are struggling with tuning problems, as your photos can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksmith-450 Posted July 14, 2017 Author Share Posted July 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Mikey98118 said: I would sure appreciate those flame pictures, and a write up of the changes you made to get from one to the others, on the Burner 101 thread. Done ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 thank you again for posting this series of flames someplace where people can benefit from them over time. ...now, k If you can somehow be sweet talked into writing up an account of your burner build, my day will be complete. If anyone disagrees with your choice of design or construction methods, let that flame shut their mouths; it certainly shut mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksmith-450 Posted July 17, 2017 Author Share Posted July 17, 2017 I am not sure that even by giving the precise specifications, this flame will be reproducible. I think I understood the main principle of a burner and have be lucky in getting this result. I'll make another one and if the result is close, I'll write the recipe. I believe the Ron Reil or the T-Burner are better options for someone who wants to get a reliable burner quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksmith-450 Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 Bigger is better ? This is the burner used for the flame posted in this thread. I made a larger copy. See the difference.... 3/4 OD versus 1.25 OD Flame produce by the big boy at 5-7 psi. I have to rework the flare to clear the orange flame. So ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 By George I think you HAVE it! Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(M) Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 For this burner or one like it could I get away with a 1-20 or even 1-10 psi propane regulator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksmith-450 Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 49 minutes ago, (M) said: For this burner or one like it could I get away with a 1-20 or even 1-10 psi propane regulator? 0-10 or 0-20 ... why do the cheapstake? Buy a 0-30... it's the same price ! It will be useful to you for a long time and for several uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted July 18, 2017 Share Posted July 18, 2017 1 hour ago, (M) said: For this burner or one like it could I get away with a 1-20 or even 1-10 psi propane regulator? I doubt that it will be your last burner so go with the 0-30 psi regulator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksmith-450 Posted July 18, 2017 Author Share Posted July 18, 2017 Those who follow this thread thinking to find an economical burner and easy to do, I will disappoint you. It is much more complicated to do than a Ron Reil or a T-Burner. Here the comparison: Holes to drill: Oliver: 6 Reil: 2 T-Burner: 1 Gas Jet: Oliver: Hole no60 Reil: Hole no60 or mig tip T-Burner: fitting + mig tip Air slots: Oliver: 2 Reil: 0 T-Burner: 0 Necessary tools : Oliver: Press-drill, grinder w / cut-off wheel, Welder Reil: Press-drill T-Burner: Press-drill, tap 1/8 NPT + tap 1/4 27pitch Price: Oliver: cheaper in parts... maybe 20$ cheaper... Disadvantages: Oliver: all parts are fixed against the Reil and the T-Burner which can be unscrewed from the top or bottom. Adjustments are not easy either cut the mixing tube, or file the air slots. This can be long and a process of trials and errors. My conclusion is that I am lucky to have had acceptable results..... and to have better, I will have to go slowly with the file. And it is not because we are a blacksmith that we are able to do everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Well, luck or not you have developed the knack of producing hot flames. As to the orange streaks; my belief is that they are from oxidation of the flame nozzle, which is why they are more severe with mild steel nozzles. In the past, guys have even found these streaks to be more pronounced with #304 stainless nozzles than with #316; in any case they do no harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksmith-450 Posted July 22, 2017 Author Share Posted July 22, 2017 Yes the nozzles are mild steel... Here a twin-setup of Monster Oliver !!! 1.25 OD,12 inches long, running at 8-10 Psi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 I note that your flame nozzles have a lot more than the recommended taper; and if this has anything to do with those very hot flames, the rest of us may have to rethink what we think we know on this subject! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 Those are a lot closer to 1:12 than the bell reducers you see used successfully on burners. I have to assume the burner can either be tuned to take advantage of that kind of turbulence or has other benefits than we normally use flared nozzles for. Say slowing the flame velocity quickly but outside the burner so it doesn't effect induction adversely. I'm always rethinking these things, especially when I see so many successful examples that fly in the face of my rules of thumb. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 For this burner or one like it could I get away with a 1-20 or even 1-10 psi propane regulator? A 1 to 20 PSI regulator; sure; a 1 to 10 regulator? That is pushing things. Each burner size, and type, has a minimum gas pressure it will run on; below that minimum the burner's flame will pulse, as it attempts to burn back down the mixing tube; not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 On 7/23/2017 at 10:25 PM, Frosty said: Those are a lot closer to 1:12 than the bell reducers you see used successfully on burners. I have to assume the burner can either be tuned to take advantage of that kind of turbulence or has other benefits than we normally use flared nozzles for. Say slowing the flame velocity quickly but outside the burner so it doesn't effect induction adversely. I'm always rethinking these things, especially when I see so many successful examples that fly in the face of my rules of thumb. Frosty The Lucky. Agreed; that's maybe why they are called "rules of thumb" rather than axioms? I'm beginning to cover my bets by calling them tendencies On the other hand, discoveries are always exciting; lots of possibilities with this one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksmith-450 Posted August 26, 2017 Author Share Posted August 26, 2017 I made a small production of burners and like our children, there are not 2 of them identical. It would take a lot of file work to fine tune them all similar to one another, but I do not think that the result is worth the work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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