redeeman Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Hello. I am looking into purchasing an anvil, and i have found both a peddinghaus and attwood stourbridge. The peddinghaus is listed as 75kg, but I am now in doubt as to whether it is a real peddinghaus. I read on this forum people claiming some peddinghaus are made in belgium, i believe this is not the case? but i also read that the non-ridgid peddinghaus now get some produced by a turkish company, which may or may not be a good anvil. I have included some pictures of the peddinghaus anvil im looking at (taken by seller, i have not physically seen yet). and now im in doubt, i cannot find much information about peddinghaus shapes, i have however read on the forum that many older ones have been discontinued due to the dies being worn out. I have found some old ones stamped with "original PFP" that looks a bit like it, however the horn on this one appears to be longer than those. The foot also seem to have only the "4 legs" whereas most peddinghaus i find seem to have a big extra "block" in between two legs on one side, with exception of some of the older Also i read that on anvils greater than 50kg they were drop forged of 2 pieces and welded (previously with forgewelding, now electrically) together, and this does appear to have a weld line. I am however a bit on doubt, especially since i saw this: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1163040-Peddinghaus-anvil-Cut-in-half-Interesting-to-say-the-least Any advice appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Special Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Talk to technicus joe. He's on here some hangs out on most of the FB blacksmithing sites as Joey Van der Steeg; pretty decent subject matter expert on the Peddinghauses and such. He can spot the knockoffs a mile away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 H-B Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 The pictures you posted are a high quality forged German anvil, very possibly named Original PFP (Paul Ferdinand Peddinghaus) Definitely buy it if the price is right and you like the pattern (form/features) This is not one of the newer ones where the quality is questionable. It is drop forged in two pieces and welded at the waist, which dies not compromise the quality. Anything around $500 is a fair price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matto Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 From the pics darn good anvil jump on it ad go to own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navasky Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 It's a genuine Peddinghaus single horn pattern, I have one just like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redeeman Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 Thanks a lot for the feedback that sounds good, the price is as you suggested just around 500 USD. Hope to go pick it up this coming weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matei campan Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 that cut in half anvil it doesn't seem to be a Peddinghaus, that's a cast anvil and it resembles a Peddinghaus as much as a horse resembles to a donkey. the Peddinghaus are drop forged anvils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everything Mac Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I agree with Matei above. That anvil that has been cut in half looks like a cast iron anvil. The feet look a bit wrong and the lack of a pritchel hole on it is a dead give away that something isn't right. My money is on a cast iron copy of something else. The anvil you have posted photo's of is indeed a real Peddinghaus and you should buy it. Great anvils. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfudd Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Are you all being helpful or just sarcastic? That is a truly fine anvil and I wish it were mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everything Mac Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 On 24/08/2016 at 0:23 AM, Fatfudd said: Are you all being helpful or just sarcastic? That is a truly fine anvil and I wish it were mine. Woops should have been more specific. -the anvil that has been cut in half in the link above. (the double horn) Looks like cast iron to me. I'd expect a double horn to have a pritchel hole as well. The single horn anvil the OP has posted pictures off is certainly a real peddinghaus. The single horn/ forward hardy is a classic German design. I've seen a few German anvils like it. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorō Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 It would be nice if Ridgid would sell peddinghaus anvils direct to the public, I'm living in Australia so it's hard to come by quality anvils...currently using a RR track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thief_Of_Navarre Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 You could always ask your local supplier for a price list and see how they react Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorō Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 No local anvil suppliers in Australia......if your lucky you can find an overpriced antique anvil or a custom made one...... Im really starting to like the shape of a peddinghaus over the London pattern anvils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnicusJoe Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I'll be brief. (turns out I failed at trying to be brief) The anvil here, is a real single horn Peddinghaus, made before Peddinghaus was taken over by RIDGID The site link etc. read the VERY LAST post by SinePari. I talked with this person via Facebook. This anvil lacks all characteristics of a Peddinghaus. WHO in their right mind would use cones!? Peddinghaus anvils were forge welded at the waist, unless smaller than 50kg - 110lbs. (more) Modern Peddinghaus anvils are milled flat and then welded at the waist. I have promoted Peddinghaus and Refflinghaus anvils for their quality. I have stopped doing this for the latest RIDGID Peddinghaus anvils. They no longer are the same quality. The recent models are FAR below the standard of what they used to be. Having been at the factory in Gevelsberg, Germany, where they are still made today. I had the honor of seeing their production. Sadly, the factory Chiefs have informed me the market is too small for them to keep up the high standard for their now small range of anvils. They used to make 12 models!!!! It's down to just 3 today!! So they have to keep cutting corners. I have felt, seen and heard about: -Irregular hardness -Ugly waist weld -Not aligned hardy holes -Forging defects on the horns or body (the second one shouldn't matter much, just aesthetically less pleasing) -Irregular chamfering -uneven forged face transition into the horns. I have actually made a small documentation of this and sent this to the Chiefs. They know about it. But for the little demand there is, they can't make the anvils any better. Their main focus at Peddinghaus is their range of vises. I can rant on for much longer in much more detail but this post is getting very long already. I don't suggest people anymore to buy a RIDGID Peddinghaus anvil anymore that is newly made. Quality is just a lot lower than what it used to be. Keep an eye out for the older ones from RIDGID from the 1990s, they were well made. And of course not to forget all predecessors: PFP, Original PFP and Peddinghaus. Such a shame............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorō Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 7 hours ago, TechnicusJoe said: I'll be brief. (turns out I failed at trying to be brief) The anvil here, is a real single horn Peddinghaus, made before Peddinghaus was taken over by RIDGID The site link etc. read the VERY LAST post by SinePari. I talked with this person via Facebook. This anvil lacks all characteristics of a Peddinghaus. WHO in their right mind would use cones!? Peddinghaus anvils were forge welded at the waist, unless smaller than 50kg - 110lbs. (more) Modern Peddinghaus anvils are milled flat and then welded at the waist. I have promoted Peddinghaus and Refflinghaus anvils for their quality. I have stopped doing this for the latest RIDGID Peddinghaus anvils. They no longer are the same quality. The recent models are FAR below the standard of what they used to be. Having been at the factory in Gevelsberg, Germany, where they are still made today. I had the honor of seeing their production. Sadly, the factory Chiefs have informed me the market is too small for them to keep up the high standard for their now small range of anvils. They used to make 12 models!!!! It's down to just 3 today!! So they have to keep cutting corners. I have felt, seen and heard about: -Irregular hardness -Ugly waist weld -Not aligned hardy holes -Forging defects on the horns or body (the second one shouldn't matter much, just aesthetically less pleasing) -Irregular chamfering -uneven forged face transition into the horns. I have actually made a small documentation of this and sent this to the Chiefs. They know about it. But for the little demand there is, they can't make the anvils any better. Their main focus at Peddinghaus is their range of vises. I can rant on for much longer in much more detail but this post is getting very long already. I don't suggest people anymore to buy a RIDGID Peddinghaus anvil anymore that is newly made. Quality is just a lot lower than what it used to be. Keep an eye out for the older ones from RIDGID from the 1990s, they were well made. And of course not to forget all predecessors: PFP, Original PFP and Peddinghaus. Such a shame............ Thank you for the reply Joe I've watched your videos on YouTube. In fact what got me on to peddinghaus is because of the youtube. I'm sure Daniel lea on YouTube uses a peddinghaus..... Any idea how I can source a peddinghaus? I'm from down under and we don't have much variety in quality anvils unfortunately I was even considering buying a peddinghaus style anvil from the Czech Republic but once I heard they didn't accept PayPal I talked myself out of it, tough times.....haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechnicusJoe Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, Peter Bui said: Thank you for the reply Joe I've watched your videos on YouTube. In fact what got me on to peddinghaus is because of the youtube. I'm sure Daniel lea on YouTube uses a peddinghaus..... Any idea how I can source a peddinghaus? I'm from down under and we don't have much variety in quality anvils unfortunately Contact me via Facebook: Joey van der Steeg. Display picture is me at the beach. Or send me an email TechnicusJoe@gmail.com. I prefer Facebook if you have it. I am sure I can help you locate one and have it shipped to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorō Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Ok thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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