FieryFurnace Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 After I finished mounting the tire hammer today, I made a pair of 3/8-inch, square bit, bolt tongs. The tongs are part of an order of four; 1/4-inch, 3/8-inch, 1/2-inch, and 5/8-inch. They are made from 11-inches of 1/2-inch coil spring. The total length is 18-inches and it takes me between an hour and a half and two hours to forge a pair. The coil spring makes a stout pair of tongs. Nothing fancy, but a strong, sturdy, tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Nice job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyGeorge Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Nice job, Dave. Can you show us your tooling for the tire hammer? They really look smooth and well made. Thanks for sharing. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYBOY Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Nice job, how do you like the tire hammer compared to your kenyon hammer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesG Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Nice Work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Willis Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Very nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marksnagel Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Nice Dave, Thanks for the pics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Trez Cole Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 great work dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryFurnace Posted January 25, 2012 Author Share Posted January 25, 2012 KYBOY: The tire hammer hammers circles around the Kinyon. I've been having a lot of trouble with the kinyon. I was having to adjust to work with tooling, and then readjust to actually forge the metal. The adjustment on the kinyon is suppose to allow it to do a small 3-inch stroke or to do a full 13-inch stroke. Mine was doing the 3-inch stroke regardless of where the roller valve adjustment was positioned. Clay told us in the tire hammer class not to grease the hammers. It hit me like a brick wall the other day, that grease is the only thing I put on the Kinyon. I sprayed some WD-40 in there to help thin the grease and lube the hammer. It is now doing full 13-inch strokes when I want it to, and is running faster with more control. With that said, the tire hammer STILL hammers circles around the Kinyon. I estimate it hits about 50% faster than the Kinyon and even though the Kinyon hammer-head is 10 pounds heavier, the tire hammer has a more solid hit. The tire hammer doesn't run as smooth as a Little Giant but it's close enough. Very pleased. I'll get pictures of the tooling later. Thanks for the compliments......I'm really enjoying tong making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYBOY Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I really like tire hammers and had heard many good things about them..You got a nice one there..We would have bought one had we found one when we needed it..Theres a guy about 45 minutes from me that loves his, Ive been wanting to go down and try it out.. Im sure it will make a world of difference for you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryFurnace Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 OK! Long awaited tool photoshoot. Overview of my entire collection of PH tools. (Small collection!) The only thing not pictured are the spring fullers, which are pretty standard. Experimental half-round flatter. The bottom piece is leaf spring, and the top is mild. (Notice the wear.) A new, one-piece version is in order, made from race car axle. Flatter or edge of anvil tool, used on the tongs in this thread. Made from large leaf spring. Chisels made from coil spring. The left hand one is better-shaped/proportional than the right one. Bob punch made from a tiny ball peen hammer (right,) a small punch made from spring steel (middle,) and a large punch made from a ball peen hammer. Slitters; 1/4-inch, 3/8-inch, and 1/2-inch (The 1/2-inch slitter is the one with the angled edge. I prefer the angled style to the round style as it seems to punch a better hole.) All made from S-7. Tenon swedge! 1/4-inch, 3/8-inch, and 1/2-inch. Unfortuneately, my holes were not straight. The tool works, but needs to be remade. It was made from race car axle. TUIT stamp. S-7 Fiery Furnace Forge Blacksmith LLC touchmark, forged from S-7 steel. Another pair of tongs...1/2-inch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Trez Cole Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 your skill level is growing in leaps and bounds congratulation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryFurnace Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 Hey thanks! Since taking classes at JCC I have actually learned how different tools work, seen some entirely new tools I'd never seen before, and learned how to make tools. All the tools pictured have been made in the last six months or so. My speed has improved so that it's no longer an all day ordeal to make a punch or chisel. One or two heats, wip together a handle and in 15 minutes I'm back on track. I've still got a lot to learn, and I look forward to more classes and/or apprenticeship, so that I can learn more. As Mr. McDonald's so aptly put it: "I'M LOVIN' IT" LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Trez Cole Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 the Kayne & Sons catalog is a great reference for power hammer tools as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spears Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Hello Dave, The tongs are nice and have a professional "store bought" look. I just got my hands on a small bar of S-7 and I'm finally going to undertake my touch mark. When you use your touchmark, do you stamp it with the workpiece red hot? Or can the workpiece be "grey hot" using S-7. Yours looks like its holding up excellent. I'm guessing you MIG welded the handling rod right to the punch. I'll probably tack mine up the same way. Thanks for the pictures. Spears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryFurnace Posted January 27, 2012 Author Share Posted January 27, 2012 Thanks Spears! I stamp the touchmark in the metal hot. This is really a must because the way I made mine, the letters are raised. This creates more surface area to stamp into the metal. If you make your mark, where the letters are stamped down into the metal, you could probably stamp cold. Mine is holding up quite well. I did mig the handle onto the tool. With PH or treadle hammer tools you should weld the side oposite from the handle. It distributes stress more evenly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua.M Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 so what do s set of tongs like that cost??? (i DISPISE making tongs) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden H Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 I never ever thought of using tooling for my power hammer to make tongs... Now I may just make what I need for tongs, and make tongs to sell. Heck I just need to get back at the forge and finish what I had started in Fall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 name='FieryFurnace' timestamp='1327702541' post='258843'] I did mig the handle onto the tool. With PH or treadle hammer tools you should weld the side oposite from the handle. It distributes stress more evenly. Don't know who recommended that, But if you wrap the tool in a recess, and weld the handle end, you lose a lot of the "stress" (or jarring the tool in your hand) and you don't risk heat deposition into your punches material which will introduce a stress piont , If you squre the shank recess rather than swage round, you have control to position the punch/die, you can also fireweld the twisted handle's end and form it into a hook to hang on your tool rack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryFurnace Posted January 30, 2012 Author Share Posted January 30, 2012 PM sent about tong prices. Hayden.....tools MAKE a power hammer. The edge of the anvil tool alone opens up a tong of different things you can do. Without tools, a power hammer is just a bigger taper machine. With tools (and practice,) you can texture, punch, groove, recess, etc, etc, etc. I'm only just beginning to learn. Mr. John: you are saying to basically make the tool the way I've done, but weld the apposite side! LOL That's funny 'cause everyone that has told me about PH tools here, has said the other way. It's funny how different people can do the exact apposite to achieve they same end. I'll try both ways and see what I like I reckon! When I make my tool handles I usually use 28 to 30-inches of 1/4-inch round, double it, and twist it, leaving a loop on the one end end. The loop is used for hanging, and the open end is wrapped around the tool. (I've done some with grooves and some without.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 First off, great tongs! Second, great ph tooling. I have some old industrial tooling that had heavy duty handles and the shock on the hand was terrible. The 1/4" round solves that problem. Looks like your touchmark handle is at a 45 degree from the punch. That's the way I did mine too and it's so much easier to position and see where you're putting it on the hot metal. So why not do that with the other tooling that has a rectangular shape to it? Seems better than having to work 90 degrees off of the metal as far as body position is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmless Dave Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Hey Dave, I see that you have your new hammer installed. Mine is still sitting outside the shop waiting for the base to be poured. I have it all wrapped up in a big, blue tarp, so I can say I have a "Big Blu" hammer! All my pictures of the build are on Allan's farm website; if you want any, go ahead a copy them. Nice selection of PH tools. I have been making mine from coil spring steel. I harvested 62 auto coil spring from a local speed shop. Many wire diameters and coils. He gave them to me for free! Hope all is going well for you. Harmless Dave Tosi Green Bear Forge Pfafftown, NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryFurnace Posted February 18, 2012 Author Share Posted February 18, 2012 Hey Dave! Get that hammer put in position! LOL "Big Blu" ROTFLOL! I haven't gotten to look up all those photos. I was out of town when Allen sent those links out and couldn't pull them up. I'd plumb forgotten! :( I'll have to pull those up tomorrow! Free is an awesome price! I pay $10 a piece and about 20 phone calls to the junk yard before I can get the guy to find them for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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