angiolino Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 I will recover piece of machinery to realize an incudine of fortune save in campaign ho trovato a piece of an old industrial machine only that you dovrei throw it via a pit without attrezzature di sollevamento type scavatrici muletti or grub manually .qualche suggestion thanks If there is a 500 kg caten stop available that works on a bar to use it as a cam, I must travel 30 meters and manually test it in the vehicle case, thank you for your suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Good to see you post again Angiolino, you always bring us interesting things to think about. I'm having trouble translating your post but I might understand what you want to do. You've found a 500kg. piece of machinery you want but you have to lift and move it 30 meters. What kind of ground do you have to move it over? Is the concrete wall in the picture the "pit"? It doesn't look like a hard bit of work but I don't know if I could fit it in your car. Can your car tow a trailer? Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jeff Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Roll the pallet of sections of pipe, if not going up hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Special Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 The translation is a bit rough. This is what I think he's saying: I found an old piece of machinery that I think I can use as an impromptu anvil. (I'm not certain about the bit about using it as an anvil, although it certainly uses that word). I am trying to save an old piece of industrial machinery that I would have to lift, possibly manually, from a pit without lifting tools or an excavator. Do you have any suggestions? Thank you. If there is a 1100 lb chain with a bar to use as a cam, I must travel 100 feet (down?) to see if it would work. Thank you. Maybe he's suggesting attaching a chain and using it as a lever? Not sure. I don't know what the weight of the machine is, but if it will fit over the pit, I would think a homemade tripod or gantry with a chain hoist or block and tackle would be the way to go. You could pull it from the top and pull it to the side of the pit safely with a rope without getting under the machine. If you had to pull it from the side of a pit, either a winch or a windlass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 I think we're on the same page Nobody. I think he might want it for an anvil or anvil stand. I tried translating individual words and "stand" came up so I put that out there as a possibility. Unlikely as it may be. IIRC from earlier discussions, "Lever" transliterates from Italian as cam. 1,100lb. chain would be working tensile strength. We've all heard folk talk about a 10ton chain, winch, truck, etc. using it's capacity as the name. No? I don't know what the top of the pit looks like but were it me I'd use a block and tackle if I didn't already have the heavy lifting gear I do here. Another method using only a lever, pallets and some dunnage would be lift the pallet with the lever and a 2 x 4 fulcrum and slip a 2 x 4 under the pallet, and progressively slide another pallet under it by moving the fulcrum, lift, slide, repeat until it's on 2 pallets. Lather rinse repeat till it's high enough. Honestly I'd be terrified if I saw anybody raising 500kg 30m on a stack of pallets. It's possible and safely but holy moly the work involved! If it were me I'd use a block and tackle. Scuffing that hunk of iron won't damage it and the dirt's enough to prevent damage if dropped. It's right against the wall it wouldn't take much of a boom to lift it clear of the top edge. Sooo, I'd rig a strong, anchored tripod back from the top edge a foot or two and maybe 6' higher. Set the top block on a chain maybe 3' long so there was some swing. Secure the lift hook to the machine piece and lift it with the block and tackle using a bollard anchor so I didn't have to do it in one hard session. Once it cleared the edge it'll swing in because it's center of support and the pull is drawing it away from the edge. I'd have a guy line of the lift hook of course and keep it snubbed on the bollard as I lifted. Some framing, rigging and sweating and it'd be out of the pit, I'd say a couple hours at a safe pace. Having a couple friends to help and it'd be up and out in 20 minutes not counting time to scrounge strong enough timber. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angiolino Posted August 9 Author Share Posted August 9 Do I have to cross it for thirty linear meters and can I solve it with a classic paranco a catena? Isn't it worth buying the cam lift strip? The treppiede potresti are a design grazie scusami per il disturbance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Special Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 I'm not sure what the 30m refers to, so I'm not sure what you're asking. A chain hoist (paranco a catena) is stable and strong, but usually has a limited listing distance. A block and tackle will go as far as you can get rope for, although the longer the rope, the easier it breaks under strain. I wouldn't tend to buy a support, I would build one. Yes, you can design a tripod fairly easily, but use three solid pieces of wood tied with rope, not like your Roadrunner cartoon picture. I have the ASO from that picture by the way - used it as my first anvil. It's soft, but makes an okay upsetting block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angiolino Posted August 9 Author Share Posted August 9 'http://cdn.makezine.com/uploads/2013/08/ginpole_diagram_uc.jpg I'll try to drag it with the hoist, the solution would be to dismantle the cast iron top, it's heavy and unbalances the load during the traction phase, I'll try, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott NC Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 . Keep everyone clear of the operation for safety sake. Or just hire a tow truck to lift it out. Here's the idea on a smaller scale, but I would use a vehicle to pull it out. Take care whatever you do. Safety first. Danger is always present with things like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 I agree Scott, this or almost anything else is safer than a lashed together gin pole. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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