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RToons

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  1. Very very Very nice! I have forged my 6th knife and someday I will try the canister. Should a canaster of scrap metal be tried if I have NO power hammer or press. I do it all by hand and a foot rope operated 15lb sludge I call a leg power hammer? My handle making leaves a lot to be desired and I am working towards one day making a handle like yours. I use old Christmas trees and black walnut branches for my handles. I learned to soak them in 50/50 boiled linseed oil & like paint stripper[forget name] a month ago. Cannot profile worth a penny but will continue to try. I was to
  2. RToons

    Forge HELP

    I hope you can understand why some of us are finding this confusing and having trouble giving you the best advice. I can see that now. My mind skipped the word charcoal and only saw LUMP and put out the idea I was using LUMP Coal. I will be more specific to aid in a clear understanding of what my objective is and what products including fuels I am utilizing. Thank you for pointing this out to me.
  3. RToons

    Forge HELP

    Thank you Thomas, That is the type of constructive input I am looking for and need. Would 3" base of hot ambers and 2" above steel be enough or should the base of hot embers be thicker? Just about all videos on youtube show a coal forge with no way to have metal inside ember's which Frosty made it clear the metal should be resting on a bed of hot embers and covered by same. I purchased 100% All Natural HARDWOOD LUMP charcoal-there is that word charcoal ? See photo below
  4. RToons

    Forge HELP

    NOT sure where this discussion on charcoal is coming from. I have not used term "coal grill" or CHARCOAL in any of my comments/questions. I went back and read my entries and responses and NOT until yesterday were the words charcoal used and NOT by me. Let me be clear on my objective and understanding of the great responses I have received. I want to use LUMP COAL purchased at a store which I break into ~1x1 pieces to fuel a forge to heat metal to hammer into rough shape of a knifes. I am utilizing a small pickup break drum ~6"round by 5"deep that I plan to cut to allow metal to be i
  5. RToons

    Forge HELP

    Not sure where you are going with this? I am utilizing lump coal broken into ~ 1x1 nugget size and NOT charcoal.
  6. RToons

    Forge HELP

    I scanned videos on coal forges and almost all have metal above the hot ambers and not directly in the coal embers. As Frosty suggested the metal needs to be in the hot embers of which I have to agree. Youtube is good for general ideas but most are not the greatest for practical applications for a poor retired cheep individuals like myself. I plan to cut about 3" wide and 1/2 way down the break drum where the end result will be as the blade grows it can be put directly into ambers and NOT above them. If working on a small blade I can use cut out metal to be placed back into cutout to
  7. RToons

    Forge HELP

    Arkie, I have watched how they make the metal from ore and it was very cool. I also watched several masters and 1 thing they all have in common: having 2 assistances using sledge hammers as the master turns the metal. My 2 sons deserted us and my better half of 40+yrs encourages me but will NOT swing sledge for me! I will spend today on computer after the day of heating & hammering yesterday. I usually takes me a few days to recover and be able to swing a hammer with any metal moving results. Thank you for your assistance.
  8. RToons

    Forge HELP

    Frosty, is the picture below what you were suggesting? EXCITED: 1st time I was able to weld together 11 pieces of various metals. it was 2.5"W x3"Lx2"H and using the coal forge shown below they STUCK and did NOT come apart-WoooooWeeee. Tomorrow or after I recover from using hammer I will reheat and shape into a knife. I must figure out how to get into hot coal once it gets longer & will not fit into hot coal I now have? Any suggestions ? I do not want to cut car break drum but maybe I will have to. Or as PNut suggested use the ground to build a trench packed with sand. That could w
  9. RToons

    Forge HELP

    Thank you Glenn, The air I was unsure about. I have a gas ball value I can adjust air flow . When I had little air it did not seem to burn lump coal to a glowing level. I do not understand your suggestion to use bricks? I have no clumping kitty litter all around the outside of drum to keep in heat so not sure what bricks would accomplish? Should I replace litter with breaks? Question: I heated rebar, pounder into shape, grinded to get shape I wanted and reheated to dunk in oil. Should I do all the hammer work, dunk in oil then grind into final shape? Thinking about cutting side of metal
  10. RToons

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    Built my first coal forge using junk table, CAR break drum, clay non clumping kitty litter, shop vac and using GAS ball value to control air flow [had extra from propane forge]. I must learn to control air flow better because I went through about 1/4 bag of lump coal to heat up 3/4" rebar. I thought the steel would get hot quickly but it took quite awhile? Maybe my lack of knowledge utilizing lump coal and placement of coal. I ate a lot of small HOT ash and the cover I used did NOT stop these tiny HOT ambers. OUCH! See pictures attached and ALL positive input would be appreciated. How
  11. RToons

    Forge HELP

    Like you I learned many ways to weld. As a burner in a scrap yard, mechanic at Fruehauf trailers welding tie down with arc welder & worst of all MIG aluminum welding but best was TIG braze welding. In any case my wife kinda forced me to computers. Now retired I enjoy the smells & visual pleasures of the shop. These elder gentlemen have insights I let behind for computers of which I did not know I missed so much. In any case I will stop rambling. I have developed many questions with forging that Forge in Fire show skips to the determent of all watching. Like after heating & b
  12. RToons

    Forge HELP

    Correct, the back half is getting metal white hot with intent to avoid flames coming out the front. I have applied borax After metal was white hot. I will pay attention to your comment when to apply. The lawn mower blades were found in junk store. Still in package it indicated contains carbon in creation of blade? Got 2 for $5 so could not go wrong, maybe? I believe I should turn to coal for many aspects of forging with most being involved more with heating process. I will look at JABOD ideas. I am looking for active forgers in my area but only found 2 and they purchase metal already made
  13. RToons

    Forge HELP

    You are correct. The simwool between grill & milk can are not treated. The do not get exposed to much heat and never to flame. Just there to use up xtra pieces and make a better top/botton insulation. The break drum is around 1' across and 6" deep. I figure after adding sand MAYBE it will work OK. I will search for JABOD forges to get ideas. These forges are they within IFoirgeIron or external like Youtube? Kinda excited to got the lump coal way because as the elder guys from 85-90+yrs old say it is a hands on experience that produces results with less danger as compared to propane ga
  14. RToons

    Forge HELP

    I have built, rebuilt several forges just playing around. I have a forge built within coal grill I got for $20, put in 2" simwool, sprayed with sealer and applied 1" of refractory. Then used old forge made from Military milk can, with 2" simwool, sprayed with sealer, appliqued 1" refractory and covered with liquid glass and inserted into coal grill with xtra simwool between grill & milk can. I put pressure to 7psi ay first, then 12 psi after heated up. Some suggested to put pressure to 25-30psi. This makes me unsure if this is wise? I get steel white hot and can move and shape without
  15. Looking for local individuals that have built a forge with propane, build coal forge, built power hammer and press. Would like to talk on phone & depending a visit to their shop.

    I have built/rebuild several propane forges and can make knifes & shape metal. I have failed EVERY time when attempting to forge multiple layers of various steels. From truck springs, rebar, lawn mower blade indicating carbon content, black pipe, files, etc.. with borax. I was told by elderly smith that propane will not reach temp required to weld together. I see the metal is white hot yet he said not likely.

    Considering lump coal  for new forge I want to build. I have truck break drum I plan to use. HELP!

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