Thanks again, "Gibbo grips" that's got a ring to it.the epoxy I used is called araldite it's made by selleys here in Oz ,I had holes in the handle and made sure to rough up the handle and inside the treads then mixed some epoxy slapped it on the handle and all in the holes slapped some on the scales waited a minute then lined them up clamped em and hoped for the best I wasn't sure wether I needed to rivet or bolt but when I unclamped the peice it had bonded brilliantly I can't pull them off so I didn't bother riveting or bolting.as for the PVC I had some 24mm Id PVC pipe layin around I cut just over half the diameter down the pipe about 100mm long for the belt loop and measured from ricasso to tip of blade marked it on the pipe adding a little extra and cut off then heated it up using my butane torch but a heat gun will do, continue heating until it's soft then squash i just used a peice of timber so not to burn my hands,while it was soft I inserted my knife so it could form to shape my blade width is 35 mm keep in mind that the Id of the pipe was 24mm it just fit ,there is a way of workin out what the id will be when squashed but I don't know it I was just lucky,anyways pretty much once it is heated it's like putty in your hands but it does get hard again within about 10 sec so be quick, the design possibilities are endless so enjoy and cheers and now I need a beer