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advice .lift heavy piece and load it on truck bed method without hydraulic crane

hello sorry if every now and then I come up with these bizarre and crazy ideas. in the countryside I need to recover a heavy massive piece of an old marble machine to use as an improvised anvil. we don't have cranes or earthmoving machines to lift this massive piece and load it onto the truck, what method do you suggest. I build a large portal-type trestle and hang a hoist on it as you would do thanks. the ground is uneven and not flat on the ground.

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Salve! Piacere!

Mi dispiace.  Non capisco.  Che cos'e'? Grande pezzo di acciaio? Haha.  Studio italiano da Duolingo da tredieci mese. 

I'm not quite sure what it is from the picture you want to load, but do you know what a "come along" is?  Maybe create a ramp with a sheet of thick plywood and ratchet it up into the bed of the truck, then tilt the bed back to horizontal.  I work alone, and I'm always trying to do two and three man jobs by myself.

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Nate

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Angiolino, mio amico. It's always good to see you post, you bring us interesting problems. 

Do you know how heavy the marble machine is? Do you have a picture of it? 

Yours, Frosty The Lucky.

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Good Morning Angiolino,

Sometimes it is less expensive, to hire someone with the equipment, to move it. If you hurt your body, or someone else's body, you can't undo the hurt!!

Neil

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Immagine

 

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200kg, dimensioni 80 cm x 50x 60 cm

do you say that if I can make a ramp like an inclined plane I'll drag it on the truck bed? the piece looks like scrap but on top I'll put a thick sheet of metal and make a rudimentary anvil what do you say I'll give it to the nomads as scrap or recycle it as a pedestal for an anvil thanks.

 

 

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When I had to lift the bed off of my full-size Toyota Tundra to paint behind the cab and the front of the bed (OCD, I know), I used two A-frame ladders and another extension ladder between them, and a boat trailer wench (or maybe it was a block and tackle).  I just need to raise it a couple of inches to drive the truck out from underneath it, then I lowered it onto saw horses.

I'm not sure how much a truck bed weighs, but if it fell on my foot, it wouldn't be as bad as a 441 lb chunk of steel.  But solid footing and proper bracing precluded anything disastrous.  There was another time when I had to pull an inboard/outboard motor out of my boat that was sitting on a trailer.  My hydraulic engine hoist topped out before I could get the block above the gunnel, so I built a gantry crane out of 4" x 4" lumber, properly bolted together and braced of course.

Maybe that's the ticket:  an engine hoist.  Can you borrow one?  Do you have a Harbor Freight Tools in Italy, otherwise known as "Utensili da Porto Merci." :lol:  I know you can easily disassemble and reassemble it easily.  Drag that big chunk of metal away from the building, lift it up with the engine hoist, and back the dump truck under it.

If you do build a gantry crane, remember that diagonal bracing is your friend.  Overbuild it. Be safe!

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Can you explain what a "marble machine" is?  I have no clue and can't imagine.  I'm very familiar with granite and marble quarrying, cutting, polishing, etc., for kitchen countertops, though.

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unfortunately I can't spend money otherwise I would call a mechanical shovel or a tractor I have a chain hoist I have to be resourceful with the little I have maybe with a ramp an inclined plane and some pieces of metal pipe I can drag it over the container I have to try thanks

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A chain hoist would probably work as well as a come-along.  Fasten one end to the forward bulkhead of the dump bed and the other to the machine.  Keep in mind that the steeper the ramp, the smaller the component of the weight that acts on the ramp, which is what you'd want to avoid breaking the wooden planks. The chain hoist can take all the weight, no problem.  I'd fasten the ramps to the bed somehow so they don't move, and even fasten them together.  If you have a piece of plywood to act as a sled for the machine, it won't dig into the ramps.

Once the machine is in the bed, tilt it back down, secure it and be on your way.

Unloading should easy.:D

Let us know how it goes.

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thanks I think about it I don't want to damage the cabin of the truck's passenger compartment it's not mine maybe as you rightly say I put a ramp as an inclined plane and I place a wooden panel between it like a sled like a sliding stretcher that moves along the inclined plane. maybe I place some metal rods between it like skates like a trolley like an Egyptian pyramid system I'll try thanks for the technical support

 

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I thought about mentioning the Egyptian technique.  I used it to move a storage shed.  If something were to happen to make it come loose, though, it would accelerate downward dangerously quickly. Plus someone needs to be right there to move the rods from back to front while someone else does the chain hoist. I would just want to keep my distance just in case.

I don't see how you'd damage the truck's passenger compartment.  Isn't there a way to hook the chain hoist to the front of the dump bed?  You're using the dump truck shown in the first picture, vero?

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the van is not mine, maybe, it belongs to an acquaintance of mine then I have to repay him maybe with a gift maybe give me a drawing or a visual example with some measurements thanks sorry if I insist thanks

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It'd sure be easier if you use the dump truck and the chain fall as seen in the second picture down. You could hook the end of the chain fall directly to the center bar of the "headache rack" The front part of the dump bed that extends above the cabin to prevent loads from sliding into the cab and giving the driver a Headache. You're only lifting 200kg or so, 4 men could easily load it so a chain fall and a couple planks will make it easy for one. 

With the bed lifted it would take very little strength for a ramp slide to the load into the truck bed. The sharp corners might dig in so tying it to a wooden sled and some wax to lubricate the sled on the ramp should do it. 

Renting an engine hoist for a day would probably be cheaper than buying a chain fall, and a couple planks IF you don't have to drive for hours to find one to rent. Maybe you  know someone with an auto shop you can borrow one from.

With an engine hoist you could drag the iron thing away from the wall with your truck, lift it with the engine hoist and back the truck under it, easy.

A friend and I loaded a big, more than 600lbs or close to 300kg. shaker table spring, a coil about 14" in diameter with 2 3/4" wire and 40" long in our SUV using a couple 2" x 6" boards as levers. The different shape made it easier than what you want to load but not a lot.

Frosty The Lucky.

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Thanks. I was an exploration driller for Alaska DOT geology, foundations section. (our section's name is actually much longer) Rigging lifts, winch lines, tows, etc. AND keeping everything on the drill that was supposed to stay, in strange conditions was almost a daily task. Almost the only flat level conditions we drilled were bridge decks. 

Frosty The Lucky.

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Frosty,

You're basically a roughneck! Awesome!  I've been watching Landman of late. Those men are tougher than USMC grunts. Don't know how you do it, but God bless the men like you who keep 'Merica humming! :D

Nate

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Not a roughneck, we drilled test holes, took samples, did tests and set instruments to determine the strength and other soil characteristics prior to building a bridge. Could call it geotech but we didn't get to set explosives. <sigh>

Frosty The Lucky.

 

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On 1/27/2025 at 10:31 PM, Frosty said:

Not a roughneck

 

But I'm sure you've been cold, wet, and muddy plenty of times in your career. :D 

I remember at The Basic School in Quantico, VA, we were doing the "infiltration course" during the winter.  I was literally waste deep in ice cold, mucky, sticky mud holding my M-16 above my head to keep it clean.  Ol' LtCol Lovinggood, Vietnam vet who still wore his steel helmet although the kevlar ones were standard issue, was standing right above me.  I got off balance and started falling backwards, but my feet couldn't move quickly enough.  I fell onto my back, but I kept my rifle above the mud.

LtCol Lovinggood, unhappy with how we were performing, shouted, "Some of you act like there's some place else you'd rather be!"  No kidding, sir! That's why I chose aviation. :D  But after 8 years, I'd had enough. 

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Wet cold and muddy sounds like Wednesday and I've been retired since 97 and transferred out of the geology section 10 years earlier.

Our breakoff temp was -35f because you couldn't keep the drill working, even with both hydraulic pre-heaters engaged and synthetic low temp hyd. oil. When we had to old "Mobile", mostly mechanical drill break off temp was when steel started breaking. So, yes I've put in 10 hour days at -30f in 30 mph winds and slept in my sleeping bag, cooked on a camp fire on off time. 

The trick to cooking meals in subzero temps is to build the cooking fire away from the camp fire and sit between them. That ain't so bad Atall, though it's better with a larger fire than a cook fire. My cook fires are rarely more than 3-4 burning coals under the pan unless I'm boiling a quantity of water.

And yes, that's why I chose a transfer to road maintenance, I got to spend most of my time filling a truck seat and when we had to do outdoor work in winter I got to sleep in my own bed. It didn't pay nearly as well but the outdoors and money had lost it's charm.

Frosty The Lucky.

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