So i finally pulled the trigger on a # 5 flypree from OWA and while i am wating for it to arrive i have been reading up on tooling. I made it to ron reils page on flypress toolong through ABANA and saw his integral tool holder wich is just a extra tool holder clamped into the tool holder that is allready stock on the press ? Is there a good reason for this? It seemes to me if top tools are made correctley with a flange so the force is on the ram face not the end of the tool. Then this tool holder idea is just a silly way too waste 3" of working room. Or am i missing somthing?

Greetings Du,

      Yep you are missing something.. Various tool holders have different functions. Many are designed to hold smaller diameter punches and drifts. You really don’t need a full stroke for many projects. Where in Mich are you located? I have several different holders that I have made up over the years. Welcome to fly press 101.. 

Forge on and make beautiful things 

Jim

 

 

Thanks jim

i am near lansing i actually have family in the caddilac area 

if you are using the same size tool shank is there still a need for a secondary holder to protect the ram ?

 

 

 

 

Depends... You don’t want to bottom the tool in the ram. The force is best put on the face. 

That is what i thought the article i read described a tool holder that had the same size hole as the ram just to protect the ram. 

I am short a lathe so i had planned on purchasing some 1" 1018 round for tool shanks so i can cut and weld it to 1/2" plate to bear the impact on the ram face then weld whatever tool onto the face of the plate . 

 

Should i concider paying a machiene shop to make a couple of holdrrs for me ? 

 

Do you use your holders in the ram and let tools bottom out in the holders? 

 

 

All you need is 1in shaft locks from Grainger. Weld them onto you 1in shaft.. And yes the tools bottom in the holder. Look at the tools in my box. 

That would make tooling quicker i can see the advantage.

The carrier just called i get delivery tomorrow i am very excited!!

thanks again

 

Find a good source of tooling material cheap and then make a tool holder that fits!  I did mine by asking a friend who was a hobby machinist.  MUCH cheaper than having a shop do it and a good return on investment for sharing my scrap pile with him and helping move stuff in his shop...

For that matter i could probably use a small cross cut piece of 1" Id dom tubeing