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yup, another treadle hammer


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Here is the hammer that I completed last night. I based the design on a few hammers I saw on here (IFI) So to those that have a similar hammer, thank you!

The hammer "head" weighs about 40 lbs. It, and the base tube are filled with sand. There is also a stack of "anvil plates" They are 4 pieces of 3/8"x2"x4" welded together. I will take close up pictures later. All of the large beams are 2"X6"-1/8" steel. The pedal, I forged out of 1/2" rebar.

I get to try it out this weekend, but I did crush a few cans last night :D

Also, if it seems that it needs more weight, I figure I could add a long post mounted vertically on the hammer head, and drop on some weightlifting weights. I can also add an additional spring at that time. When it warms up outside, it will get a sweet paint job too... also, please excuse the poor welds, I was rushing and It was the first time using stick on my new machine :o Belive it or not, im much better at TIG.

Start of the hammer:

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...get a peice of steel cable, and extend the spring so that it is maximum extended, then useing a peice of steel cable run it up thorugh the spring,...


Yup... in the last picture, you can see the cable dangling. Thats actually how I got this spring. One on the garage door failed a while ago, without the saftey cable. I belive it put a hole in the wall.

Thanks for the tip though.
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I think a solid anvil will give you a LOT more efficiency and remember optimum anvil weight should be about 15 times the head weight.

A tube filled with sand just doesn't do it for an anvil.


I figured I would try this for now, I really wanted a piece of 3-4" solid round to use as the base... but Ill just have to wait till that comes along.
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I think even a chunk of RR rail with a flat top welded on the end would work better than a thin walled tube of sand. And rail is generally scroungeable most areas.

Or if you have a decent sized anvil just mount that with the center of the anvil dead under the top die of the treadle hammer---sort of like what the Blacker triphammer used to do.

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I think a solid anvil will give you a LOT more efficiency and remember optimum anvil weight should be about 15 times the head weight.

A tube filled with sand just doesn't do it for an anvil.



How does having a heavy weight base / anvil on a treadle help? I can see for hand hammering how it makes a difference but on the treadle, while it would be good to have the heavy anvil, I would think that the extra force of the treadle hammer would make up for having a equilalent weight base. None of the plans I've looked at and pictures I've seen here indicate that a much heavier anvil plate should be used.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have one yet myself and if it will make that much difference I will make sure I get a heavy enough base / anvil / strike plate. I'm just looking for more info. :)
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It seems that, yes a treadle hammer will have extra force... but With a good solid anvil base, the efficiency will be much higher. Basically if you dont have a base around 15X the weight of the hammer your not using the hammer to its full potential. I guess Ill find out this weekend. But I agree that most of the homebuilt hammers do not seem to have a heavy anvil base.

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I would see about making it so the spring doesn't cross the push rod.. Might make it a tad quieter. Also, having it crossed may cause wear on that spring and cause it to break. Just a thought. I may be overthinking it too much.

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Basic mechanics of how things work: take a hot piece of steel holding it in mid air with one hand and hit it with a hammer in the other hand. Now repeat the experiment with the hot piece laid on an anvil. Which one produced the most metal movement (deformation)?

With a treadle hammer if you do not have a rigid "anvil" it's like hitting a piece in mid air. Most of the energy goes into moving the system rather than moving the metal.

Rigidity under impact is most easily done with having a "large" solid anvil as it resists deflecting under the sudden loads---inertia also plays a part in efficiency and a large heavy anvil helps with that as well.

A heavy base can help *if* you have a rigid support coupling it to the anvil face; but it's not as effective as having the mass in the anvil, directly under the impact zone---if the anvil is hefty enough you don't need a base!

My treadle project is awaiting electricity to the shop (for the arc welder), but I have scrounged most of the parts already: my base is 1" thick plate and the anvil is 5.25" solid round stock. As you can tell I hope never to have to move my shop equipment again!

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The way my neck and shoulder have been for the last week, I'd much rather have sore legs! It might even help keep me in shape for skiing!

I have a possible line on a new anvil and if that comes through, I might use my HF Russian anvil as the base for my Treadle when I am able to build that.

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