meco3hp Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Hello, Here are some pictures of my hammer pouring activities. I had a request at the last engine show I was at to pour a babbit hammer for one of my engine buddies. He bought one of my lead hammers but asked if I could pour a babbit hammer also. So I'm heading to a show tommarrow and he might be there so I was going to take these up to him. I melted down a big babbit bearing half and a ingot to make these two hammers. The bearing half was one I picked up at a auction. It was brand new but it didn't have any numbers on it and I don't know what it was for. About 3" shaft is what it would fit on. It was brand new. After I clean up the sprues with a lead file and the new owner puts grips on them they'll be great. The big one is 3lbs and the small one is 1lb. The big one uses 1/2 black pipe for a handle, and the small one uses 3/8" black pipe. I seen one that had the factory handle with it and it's a nice cast iron handle. I know the 1/2" black pipe handle will take a 3/4" heater hose well enough that you'll have to cut it off of the pipe to get it off. (I did mine that way and have done some hard beating with it and it's never moved) I take them to shows and sell the big ones for $5. I haven't taken the small ones to any shows yet, but I'm figuring about $4 for them. Just something differnt I do on my forge every now and then, and some thing else I can sell at shows, wether I'm smithing or showing engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolano Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Looks like fun. where do you get the tools, ans what do they generally run for? And same questions on the lead.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meco3hp Posted September 17, 2005 Author Share Posted September 17, 2005 Hello, I've seen the hammer molds on ebay (I'm bidding on a 2lber right now), or in antique stores, same with the ladels. I've seen a 5lber on ebay one time. The molds go anywhere from $25 to $75, the ladels anywhere from $1 up to $10. The lead is any lead I can get my hands on! Mainly lead tire weights from the tire shops some times for free or most of the time for scrap cost of lead. The last lead I got was $0.40 a pound. I also tell the guys I sell hammers to, that when they need a new hammer head, I'll pour a new one on their handle or exchange them a new one for $3. I like to put some kind of deal with the tools I make and sell. Kinda like a warranty type deal. I get my coupola furnace set up to pour cast iron and I'll make some of these molds to sell too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted September 17, 2005 Share Posted September 17, 2005 Another source of lead is firing ranges. For me it was the only local source. All the tire shops around here sell to their "guy" who recycles it. The firing range sold me a 90-lb bucket for $5, but if I were a member, I'd have probably gotten it for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Gold Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 Lead can often be had from places that balance tires -- offer some beer for a five-gallon bucket full of wheel weights, or similar. Pretty cool! You should be asking a lot more for the hammers, I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meco3hp Posted September 19, 2005 Author Share Posted September 19, 2005 T-Gold, You'd be surprised just how many people stop and ask, "What are they for?" I've only sold 3 of these hammers at 3 shows this year. I had about 600 people walk by at the show this weekend, no buyers. My engine buddies and I just can't figure it out. We feel $5 is a good price and my replacement deal is a very good deal, but nobody seems interested. I've had a few guys say, "I just use a brass hammer for my stuff". I've messed up threads and the ends of shafts with a brass hammer myself! I also ask them, "What would you use when your working on something thats made of brass?" They just shrug their shoulders to that. I ask it nicely not trying to be smart about it, but they just don't think they'll ever need one, I guess. I think $5 is a cheap price to pay for a tool that when you need it, you need it! It won't go bad just sitting on a shelf or in a tool box! Oh well, I'll just keep carrying them to shows. It's not costing me much to make them so far. The lead is mainly what I've picked up or have been given. The 1/2" blackpipe is stuff that I had in my scrap pile. I'll have to go buy some 3/8" blackpipe for the little 1lber, but I figure I'll only get about enough for 10 hammers for that. That won't be too bad. I'll get a picture of my "bulk lead melter" tommarrow and post them. I use junk wood pallets (that I get free, for hauling off) to fuel that one! Thats what I use when I'm cleaning/consolidating lead or pouring alot of hammers. It works perfectly! Cheap to make also. I'll also show you my monster ladel I made from a dairy cow waterer. I can melt 50-60lbs with that all in one shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Gold Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Next paycheck I get, I'll buy one of your babbitt hammers I'd love to see the lead melting equipment, there are a few things that I would like to cast out of lead and seeing someone else's setup is always good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meco3hp Posted September 20, 2005 Author Share Posted September 20, 2005 Hello, Here are some pics of my "bulk lead melter". I made it using 3 old car rims. The bottom one is normal except that I cut a hole in the side for the incoming air. It is set so the "face" of the rim is up. The second rim has all of the center of it cut out. The top rim has parts of the center cut out. If you look at the picture you'll notice that it is a old car rim that has the hubcap clips on it. That is what keeps the "ladel" up so I have openings for the exhaust to exit. I also put castable refractory around the top so I consentrate the heat. I also left one place on the side with no refractory so I can preheat small ladels. These are just plain old steel wheels. I've got plans to mount the whole thing (blower and all) on wheels so it's movable. The next one I build will most likely use 4 rims so I can get more fuel into it. When you use it, there is very little smoke or ash so thats not a problem at all. The blower is one that I had around for a while, until I found a use for it. Same with the old electric motor, it's a Maytag motor from a maytag retrofit kit. I made most of this from the scrap pile. The only things I bought was 2 grease zerks for the blower and the aluminum flex hose and 2 clamps. My big ladel is a dairy barn waterer, I picked up in Missouri. The way it was mounted in the barn made it perfect for mounting a handle on it. I can pour 15 ingots from one melt of the ladel at a time even though my ingot molds have room for 16. The 1 has casting flaws that if I poured any into it I couldn't get it out. I didn't get any pics of my ingot molds, I could get some if you want to see them. I figure if you could line the ladel with a ladel coating, you could easily melt aluminum with this setup! If you have any questions, just ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 What are you using for fuel, and if solid fuel can you explain the firepot arrangment in detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meco3hp Posted September 20, 2005 Author Share Posted September 20, 2005 Hello, I'm using old junk pallets for fuel. There isn't a fire pot per say like a forge, the bottom rim is unmodified except for the hole in the side for the blower tube. The middle rim has the entire center cut out so all that is left is the part that the tire bead sets on, and the top rim has the center cut out as seen in picture #3. I'll post some more pics tommarrow and see if I can get some better shots of the inside. The chunks of wood from the pallets are cut to about 12" and I just put a bunch in and add a little deisel fuel (about a cup) and light it with some paper. Cutting shorter peices of wood allows more fuel to fit into the fire chamber. I like junk pallets because I can get them for hauling them off and they'll just go to the city burn pit anyways if I don't get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Gold Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Pretty dang neat! I sure wouldn't waste that ladle on aluminum, since at those heats it would scale apart within a year or so, probably. Now to look for ladles for my own setup... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meco3hp Posted September 21, 2005 Author Share Posted September 21, 2005 Hello, Here are some more pics of the bulk lead melter. This is the bottom with the burner turned upside down. Notice the bottom rim is intact except for the hole for the blower tube. Here is a top. I tried to get a view of the inside but I just couldn't get the light right. Watch for a blueprint on this in a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meco3hp Posted September 21, 2005 Author Share Posted September 21, 2005 Hello, One of the guys over at the Practical Machinist forum posted that Brownell gun suppy had 1 and 2 lb molds for sale. I checked it our and yes they do. The very same style as what I have, but only in the 1 and 2 pounders though. Check it out!http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=7608 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolano Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Its interesting how the ladels are way more expensive than the molds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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