Elmarginalo Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Found this comment on imgurComment: "Careful with the copper pins through a steel tang. I've seen blades fail due to galvanic corrosion causing problems."Source: http://imgur.com/gallery/hrCURI found some explanations on IFI since I had no clue what it was, but was wondering if anyone has any RL experience with this?What can be done to prevent this? pins in same material as the forged blade? wooden pins for the handle (+ epoxy offcourse) ? Any other ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McPherson Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Three components to galvanic corrosion: two dissimilar metals + trapped moisture. Salts will speed up the process.Sealing all the mating surfaces with epoxy or solder will eliminate getting blood/sweat/rain wicking down along the tang or pins. Stabilized wood or micarta slabs do not absorb moisture, unsealed paracord wraps, leather, antler and natural wood do. Plus they add organic acids to the equation.The ABS forums would have more detailed explanations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malice9610 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 I was just reading up on this after reading your post, as I am new to this whole blade making process and have yet to come across the term Galvanic Corrosion. before reading Johns post ( refreshed the tab before posting to see if anyone more experienced would have a magic answer ) , my thoughts were to make the holes for the pins slightly larger then the actual pin so that epoxy could flow between the pin and the handle, now after reading Johns post I see I was on the right track. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_corrosionThere is a helpful table at the bottom showing the differences of the different types of metals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McPherson Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 (edited) "my thoughts were to make the holes for the pins slightly larger then the actual pin so that epoxy could flow between the pin and the handle" Um, no. Glues are strongest where they are thinnest. You want the fit up on all parts to be as tight as possible, THEN add epoxy or solder. Especially to the handle slabs where they apply to the tang and pins.Liquids are drawn into the interior by capillary action when two surfaces are only a tiny fraction apart. Drying out again is only at the surface, and takes much longer. Edited April 3, 2015 by John McPherson added quote for clarity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malice9610 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 understandable, I think my wording was a bit off ( it was early and pre coffee posted ) so my brain was only partially engaged. In my case, i have 1/8th round brass stock for pins, so drill the hole out to 1/8th, and then take a needle file to it to enlarge the hole only by like a hairs breadth, but by the sounds of it, even that might be too much of a gap from what you are saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malice9610 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Also, Thank you John for setting me straight, I actually plan to do the handles on the first 5 knives ive ever made this weekend, so this information came at a perfect time for my weekend plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Malice: No, filing the hole is NOT a good idea. First it makes the hole larger than it should be. Secondly it roughens the surface of the hole enlarging the surface area speeds chemical reactions.The epoxy around the pins is a prophylactic (barrier) measure, it keeps the electrolyte (moisture and dissolved chemicals) off of and out of the joint.If you use marine bronze for your rivets and pins it is FAR less susceptible to galvanic reaction. I'm not sure if marine bronze is a dialectric or dialectric bronze is a different alloy but dialectric couplers are how you hook up the copper plumbing to the boiler, well, etc. in the basement.IF you can make the holes a couple thousandths smaller than the pins you can still slip them in by chilling in dry ice and warming the knife handle. When the pins warm back up and expand they will form an interference fit and be especially water tight and heck just plain tight. Sealed with a good epoxy, etc. and it'll last generations.Do NOT get anything between the tang and pins.Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malice9610 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Thanks Frosty.... I am actually going to be doing handles this weekend on my prototype EDC's, between you and John, I think you both just saved me from screwing stuff up bigtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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