Yo, finally heard back from Steve. He was out of town, and now that December is over I can start concentrating on how to get into this more seriously. I'm still tossing option on anvil around. I'd hate to pay good money for a junk starter anvil. Lots of junk is available on ebay, and new ones are pricey. Maybe I can use someone's till I really get going here. I may be at the Jan meeting this Saturday. Later.