Well it's been fun guys. Short lived but fun. I would like to say Thanks to RT, JK, Pete, Stan, Steve and Glenn for all the encouragement and information. Any one who looks for info and encouragement look no further you have hit a true gold mine. I will not stop lurking a round hear ether. Just have to find a new something to do. The Doc laded the law down this spring. You have to give it up. Heck I never got good at beaten hot iron ether, I was just playing around. Just think what I could do if I just put my shoulder in to it :D In May I had my neck fused from C3 To C7. Now they are talking about cutting my shoulder up and doing carpal tunnel on my left side. Think I am going to go back to school and get a refresher course in CNC. I have gotten my table top out and I have been working with it. So If things work out I will start doing small parts with it, like stuff for knives. So by the way, dose any one know where I can find any info on knives? :o :P Keep the coal hot hit'em hot and mak'em sharp True