IronFist Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 I keep having a confusing problem with my forge. The LP tank keeps frosting over when I'm forging, so I have to shake the tank back and forth to get proper heat back in the fire. I could understand this if it were cold all the time, but I live in South Carolina. It was 57* today! Is this common? Or should I raise the tank up off the concrete floor? Help me!! I'm wasting time and fuel waiting on a good heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Hicks Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Are you using a small BBQ tank? I heard tell they will do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFist Posted February 10, 2007 Author Share Posted February 10, 2007 Yes, unfortunately, I do not have enough cash for the bigger LP gas tank. Would it be plausible to keep thetank I have in a warm water bath whilst I use it to keep the frost off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimag Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 A bigger tank is the solution,100# at least to run a forge.The frosting is caused by a compressed gas[any compressed gas] flowing thru a restriction i.e. orifice ,valve etc.When you cut the pressure the temp of the gas drops.The ambient temp does affect the flow but really only in pretty cold conditions or if the volume in the tank is low.The trouble with a warm water bath is that it won't be warm for long.A small oil pan heater might help.The cost would probably make a bigger tank a more viable option.You could get another small tank and just change them out,kind of a pain tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clark-kentski Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 You need to put 2 bbq tanks behind the regulator,simple plumbing using all hardline,ask the fellow at the propane store as to the fittings you need,also someones selling this setup on the web,zoller forge ??guessing. good luck,safety first!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bipolarandy Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 I use to fight with the same problem of my 20# tank freezing, then I got a different burner and forge( an atmo burner and not a blown forge) and I havn't had that happen since. -Andrei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimag Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Zoeller forge sells manifold kit for $15.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 You can also solve the problem by setting the propane tank in a garbage can of water. It don't have to be hot water right out of the garden hose will do fine. As the pressure is relieved from the tank, it cools the remaining propane in the tank this continues till the temperature of the propane drops to near it's boiling point of about -44 degrees for pure propane. Once it has reached that temperature it will not vaporize. By shaking the tank you bring the liquid into contact with the warmer surface of the vapor space in the tank and cause it to boil to gas. Keep in mind that what you are using is LPG not pure propane. It is a mixture of butane and propane, the further South you go the more butane is added to the mixture. Butane has a much higher boiling point that propane so it don't take nearly as much chilling to drop it to or near it's boiling point. Placing the tank in water will keep the contents above the boiling point and allow the formation of gas. You will get ice freezing on the tank from the liquid level down. Woody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikek Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Ward Burner Systems - Power Burners, Raku Burners, and Kilns the above is a great article about lp and tanksWard Burner Systems - Power Burners, Raku Burners, and Kilns has some other great articles about gas and such Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFist Posted February 11, 2007 Author Share Posted February 11, 2007 Thanks everyone for the tips and replys! I'll try the suggested first, then have to move to a bigger tank purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocDrew Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Just look into the bigger tank. Go down to your local gas store (praxair, airco, etc) and rent the Hundred pounder. It costs about $25/yr with a five year lease, and then the price of the gas is the same as it is to fill the 20#er, maybe even a bit less per pound. When you gotta lay out that first $125 or so, it seems high, but trust me, it's well worth it. I went to a hundred #er, not because my tank was freezing, but because the xxxx safety flow check wouldn't flow high enough to run my big four burner. Iceing was not uncommon on the 20# on my smaller two burner, tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 For the short-term, if you use the water bath to add thermal mass, throw some drinks in there to keep them cool as you forge. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian C. Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I have tried the manifold method & my tanks still froze out. The best luck has been sitting them in a big old fashioned wash tub of water. I made a clamp of sorts to hold the tank down & not let it float. That way you can cover up a lot more tank with the water. YMMV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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