My apologies for the repeated messages, first time on here and I didn't think it took it the first few times. Had to keep rewriting the problem. I'm starting off with railroad spikes as I've seen many others use them for knives. I just moments ago tried to quench in something they call super quench. Every time I've tried to get the test knife right it came up soft. The super quench helped some but they still bent rather than breaking. And before I hardened I put them through two normalization cycles. I tested the temp on a magnet. I've been told it's a few shades past that so I shot for that. Once again, sorry for the repeats