Broad River Forge

i agree the operator can do alot for controllability. ive had a few sahinlers and many different mechanicals over the years and all served very well and im spoiled in having had the pleasure of running so many. just not personally operated a larger self contained. I know the 350 will have plenty of capability to forge out the tool steel in short order over the 220. I just wonder if the larger hammer running at 160 hits per minute likely would make it harder to work smaller stock before it cools. I can work 1/2 stock under my 250 giant but based on speed and power its not as easy going to the 110 pound sahinler. I like he idea of running a BIG hammer to get stuff done in less heats just wondered at what size stock is it simply easier and more efficient to go to a smaller hammer again.

Hi all, im not new to hammers and had many over the years. im looking at a couple of self contained hammers, one is a beche 220 pound hammer and the other is a 350 pound hammer. im forging 7 pound blocks and want to do it efficiently, i have a great press and it does some stuff excellent but for sizing a block of tool steel up i want to get it done in the least heats possible and get the most done. I also dont want a one trick pony thats mainly good for doing larger stuff and no good for smaller stuff. the 220 pound hammer i can power as it is in my shop but the 350 hammer is going to cost probably 12K more in electrical and foundation setup than the 220. i have no problem spending the extra money and i know more power is always nice to have but im wondering if people out there with experience running these size hammers have an opinion on them. I think the 220 pound beche will do what i need it to and i can use for most anything but is a 350 pound hammer worth spending the extra cash on and can it do smaller work as readily as a 220. I should mention i know the BPM will make a difference in the two machines and both are running very well and can close matchboxes

ive done it twice on the Kuhn clones, (Sahinler) once was a 60KG i swapped out to single phase 7,5hp motor no issues and just a couple months back a 50KG sahinler with a 5hp single phase motor. no problems. its pretty straightforward before she was powered up but its simple, just getting a pulley right size or adapting it to the new motor takes some figuring

yes that is the correct rule of thumb if you scour you will find it but that is general info if your doing steady industrial work

im in ontario and can tll you where to get great priced coal and coke. i cant post it but when the time comes if you get here ir are close to coming pm me. mikd steel is easy to get and have delivered, i find our postal system for shipping products leaves much to be desired cost wise. us has better shipping costs. regulations arent a problem if you live outside of the citys and your neighbors dont mind. i have a 250 pound hammer and neighbors are about 700 ft away and never heard anything but nice comments though im sure they hear the hammer running i live just outside of a small town. as for appreciation of hand forged products thats tough here. onatario is a good province to be in with a huge population in toronto kits of people who will pay for quality things however ive purchased 3 big hammers in last 5 years from fabrication shops who specialized in hand forged architectural gates and stuff who were shutting down because in their words there arent enough good paying jobs for that kind of product in ontario anymore. not alot of folks with deep enough pockets that appreciate that kind of work so depending on your specific type of work it could be great here or you may disappointed. thats the best info i can share with you from my experience here apparently i shouldnt multitask a coffe in one hand and typing with the other makes for some spelling misstayks.....

simple video of the Hydra Gen 1 prototype running. the next machine plan to have a completely hydraulic hammer and about a 100 pound hammer weight with a 29Ton forging press and on the fly height adjustment.

simple video of the 16 Ton press forging, working on a 28 ton next then will tackle a 60T same frame just modified a bit for LARGE CYLINDER

Either H frame is nice for no twisting or yawning. Yes with the shrouds it’s no problem having the cylinder bottom up. Foot treadle once you have it you will kick yourself for not doing earlier, they are handy for more hands free work

I’ve built that style before but not in love with overall height, for a tight compact low profile I went with this style, there are shrouds front and back for sure to cover the hydraulics. It’s all what your used to. Im going to have next one powder coated for bit a better paint job

My first press of this design finished well, its only got a 16T powerpack as client wished but the frame design i have can do a 50T powerpack no issue. Im starting on a 28 Ton for a client and will be building a 40T for myself over the winter. Will only use a single cylinder for the 40 as i want to minimize potential for side loading the ram with two cylinders that flow at incrimentally different lengths.

looks like a ball park 70kg hammer. thats about the right horsepower too based on the Ajax and Prako hammers that one is similar to.

i have fork truck tines on my 60 pound tire hammer for about a year and i use all different tooling as well, dies are holding up really well with about 20 hrs of use on them a week for about a year now and no deformation or cracking. I used them as is figuring id replace them easily enough if they didnt hold up but theres been no issue. i make damascus and forge mostly tool steel under my hammer too. All tines are different so try it out, dont expect much and you may be pleasantly surprised

Good Idea for the expanded mesh down below, also the radius on the flate bar for the hammer heads. I actually made the swing away arms like your suggestion they just hide pretty well. but gonna incorporate those ideas into the build

Finished up and ready for some demos. 2'x3' table with drop away handles and large tires make for a really easy to move portable coal forge just right for demos or smiths without a dedicated setup.

Good fun the past weekend putting the press and the hammer to work welding up a damascus billet 1.5"x4"x3" of 18 layers with a friend! Sorry, i have no idea how to rotate the video now that its done. I filmed it with my camera sideways.... IMG_0667.MOV

Mid western ontario, little town called Neustadt

Here is the result of 2 years imagination and a year building. It far exceeds my expectations and Im extremely happy with the machine. I will make more vids of what it can do. It expands the capabilities of a mechanical hammer and addresses the major issue I did not like about mechanicals... Height adjustments I did not enjoy doing. The configuration allows for maximum power regardless of thickness and closes the gap between a self contained and a mechanical. enjoy

I would give up to $1500 canadian for it but the price is all in the eye of the beholder. cost to saint john will probaly be about a grand if you had it shipped. Look forward to hearing how it goes for you

I made one myself for my Canadian giant 25 pounder, If you still need info i can send pics and a description of how i built mine, no lathe or milling unit just a welder and hole saw needed. worked great

its really subjective, some hammers sell for a small fortune like a little Giant 25 pounder will go for $5000 and a 250 pounder may go for the same. I purchased a basket case from Manitoba 2 years ago for $1200 and had it shipped to mid western ontario for $500, rebuilt it and made parts for it then traded it with a person for a 75 pound beaudry. I had to make a bunch of components for it but didnt mind and now that ive rebuilt a few hammers wouldnt mind doing more. if the sow block is cracked or frame is cracked or has any major structural damage I'd offer a little more than scrap rate but if its all there and good and wont take alot of repair then a couple thousand is not out of the park regardless of what size it is. definitely send more info, if you pass let me know im always looking for an orphan powerhammer who needs rescuing, time and attentrion.