hmmm me thinks u need to come watch me some more the other day jay and i punched a 120 hole straight off only cause that was the smalest punch i could find while he stared at me like a dead fish. hmm you will have to get a pic of the pics of the rings sitting on the saw at the moment and take progress pics i am lookin for the pics you have been takeing latley but i think it is just sooo u can look at my prowess because i cant find any around this website