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yet another anvile ID thread - Williams & Co, Mouse Hole Forge


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I have three anvils and a couple ASOs.

Anvil 1: Mouse Hole Forge 132 lb  - ring and rebound both good, surface is a little pitted. I haven't used it yet. I have access to a vertical mill and would like to shave 0.060" or so off of it but I know enough about anvils to know I don't know how to fix one so I'm hesitant to mill it.

Mouse Hole Forge 132 lb

Mouse Hole Forge and blue no name

Anvil 2: No name anvil - around 150 lbs or so. I haven't weighed it. It had blue paint on it when I got it. I hit it with a wire wheel trying to find some markings but I haven't found any. This anvil has a lot of dents in it and looks like someone intentionally punched "divots' all over it. There were some red painted lines on it. Excellent rebound.

 

Anvil 3: Bought as a "225 lb no name anvil", I hit the sides with a wire wheel and found "Williams & Co" (I think) and "235" on it. It is in nice shape overall. Excellent rebound. I can't find any information about this anvil. Everything points to William Foster but I'm not sure if that's the same.

Williams & Co anvil 1

Williams & Co anvil 2

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Welcome aboard Charlie glad to have you. Please don't take a mill to that fine old lady you'll do more and permanent damage to it that the pitting represents. every .0001" steel you remove from the face is decades of life. More anvils have been ruined by excellent machinists and expert welders than "repaired or restored" by same.

All it needs is some hot steel and a hammer to shine it up. If for some reason you need a pristine face make a bottom tool by welding a hardy hole size shank to a piece of heavy plate and you're home free.

Okay, that said why are you asking us about these anvils. Are you a dealer or looking to have them appraised for you?

Frosty The Lucky.

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9 hours ago, Frosty said:

Welcome aboard Charlie glad to have you. Please don't take a mill to that fine old lady you'll do more and permanent damage to it that the pitting represents. every .0001" steel you remove from the face is decades of life. More anvils have been ruined by excellent machinists and expert welders than "repaired or restored" by same.

All it needs is some hot steel and a hammer to shine it up. If for some reason you need a pristine face make a bottom tool by welding a hardy hole size shank to a piece of heavy plate and you're home free.

Okay, that said why are you asking us about these anvils. Are you a dealer or looking to have them appraised for you?

Frosty The Lucky.

OK, milling the top is out. I was pretty sure it was a bad idea. Thanks. I'm asking for identification help just for my knowledge. No, I'm not a dealer...just a guy that became interested in blacksmithing and in the course of looking for an anvil ended up with three...and looking for more. I welded for a living for 17 years before engineering and management roles so I think blacksmithing is a natural progression for me...lol. I can appraise them myself if I should want to sell them by doing comps on the area I'm in. Prices are pretty high, in my opinion, right now for all anvils. I read somewhere that there is a TV show about blacksmithing so I'm sure that has a lot to do with it. I know Barrett-Jackson has everyone thinking that rusted pile of project car in the back yard is made of gold...lol.

13 minutes ago, ThomasPowers said:

What is the evidence that points to William Foster?  My WF is squatter and marked in CWT and stamped william foster with the date.

Maybe I didn't write my question correctly...it doesn't look like a William Foster to me at all and it says Williams & Co on it. When I search, the search results always take me to William Foster. On the AIA page, I didn't see Williams & Co on the list. I'm just looking for some info if anyone knows anything about this anvil.

Thanks

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There are about 200 english anvil makers not in AinA as different ones keep popping up; Postman has mentioned updates to A&A as he learns of more.  I'd contact him directly to see if he has info on that maker.  Web searches suffer from the black swan problem of inductive reasoning.

What does the bottom of that anvil look like?

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10 hours ago, ThomasPowers said:

There are about 200 english anvil makers not in AinA as different ones keep popping up; Postman has mentioned updates to A&A as he learns of more.  I'd contact him directly to see if he has info on that maker.  Web searches suffer from the black swan problem of inductive reasoning.

What does the bottom of that anvil look like?

I will try to get pics tomorrow. I haven't turned that one over yet.

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