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  1. Um, yes and no. The pressure is 32 psi, but the weight of the vehicle is 4000 pounds (light truck right?) Now if you measure your tire footprint and multiply by the pressure in the tire you get the weight of the vehicle. This is a middle school pressure assignment for science class, but not actually done at most schools.

    Now working backwards 4000lbs divided by 4 tires = 1000 lb load per tire.
    1000 pounds divided 32 psi makes 31.25 square inches of tire contact area.

    Or as the middle school assignment goes, take 2 straight edges and a ruler and measure the surface contact of the tires on your parents car, then measure the tire pressure to each tire and record all the information. Now figure the contact area of each tire and multiply by the pressure in each tire and you get the weight of the vehicle!

    Phil

    Phil, The original statement was "take the psi and multiply X # of sq inchs to get total pressure thsts what PSI is" Lets look at this another way. Compressor
    tank 24" dia 60" tall. Thats 75" around X 60" tall X psi or 75X60X135=607,500=
    total pressure. And it still shuts off at 135lb. Using that formula.75X60X10=
    45,000total pressure( thats what psi is)Air tools woun't run on 10 psi. As to your car problem. It would not matter if the tires were air filled or solid the weight psi would be the same.
    Smaller the tire size more the psi. On a givin auto a 950 15 snow tire will get ya stuck. A 560 15 will get ya there. More psi on the road. Learned that one the hard way.

  2. A few things I will agree with and one or so I will disagree with in the above postings.

    First, Hydraulic systems often trap siginifacant pressure, and a few drops will NOT release all the pressure. Look for an accumulator, they will store pressure. Second, I made my living working in a high pressure hydrostatic lab. I burst tested many of the items we work with. I have had hydrostatic failures in pipes that sounded like a dyamite explosion. Yes these were at 19,000 psi, but do illustrate. The bigger the volume, and the higher the pressure, the more elastic deformation in the steel and the more stored pressure. I have had larger items shoot out a jet of water and shoot across the test cell like a squid.

    Hydraulic is safe since liquids are not compressable. WRONG! Liquids are compressable, the folks that wrote that law just did not have the instruments and equipment to measure it. Water IS compressable, and at pressure of say 10,000 psi you can see 1/2% per thousand PSI. Small amount of compression, HUGE amount of energy. Second a pin hole at 3000 psi will inject under the skin and cut like a razor. The clothes you are wearing as you sit there reading this were probably just cut by a waterjet at something like 5000 to 10,000 psi.

    Next, I have seen a photo of a boiler that failed at a measly 25 psi. Flipped a 60,000# weight traction engine on its back.

    I have seen far too many failure photos to share all, just please please consider the possible consequences of a shoddy repair.

    And for reference, ASME code stamped pressure vessels for non-fired use, like compressed air are tested at the maker for 1.5 times the rated design working pressure. So if you read that name plate and see the ASME in a sheid, and the working pressure is 250PSI, it was tested to 375 psi at the factory. Usually the actual burst test pressure will be at least 6 times higher when new, to account for corrosin etc over the life of the device.
    Ptree who worked for an ASME code shop making valves, fittings, boilers, and refrigeration equipment for 21 years, and designed the test equipment to do the hydros for most of that time.

    Guys pay attention to the hydro info. A pin hole in a skidloader or fork lift line can kill ya. think tornado a straw thru a steel shovel. Say 3500 lbs psi now at .010 hole. It will hurt ya. injected hyd fluid can kill or at least blind ya.
    Ken.

  3. Yes. Now multiply by each and every square inch for the total force. That's what the "per square inch" means. ;)

    So the tires on my truck are not at 32psi but have several thousand pounds of pressure. Perhaps I was mistaught 50 yrs ago. Teacher said PSI is pounds per square inch. This is the first I have ever heard of X area. How is it that my air tools won't run if my 100 gal tank gets down to 40 psi? This old phart is going to sleep on this one.
    Ken.

  4. Well here it is i couldnt get a picture for you but hopefully I can describe the details the pictures I took did not show anything anyways. So here it goes at the top of the anvil and towards the horn It says Peter, under that it says Wright, now under that its hard to make out but it appears to say England, then under that in a circle it says solid wrought, andunder that are the weight stamps which are 1 2 22 which from my understanding would be 190 lbs. Also on the foot under the horn is the number seven on the right side and number seven on the left side which seems to be the same size number stamp as the weight stamps. Well I hope all the info can tell you something. Thanks for the reply.

    In AIA Postman says if it has England stamped on it it is after 1910. In most of the pics it shows the middle number inside the solid wrought circle.
    Ken.
  5. No it woun't give him a hard face If he lost it. My H*b only had the horn snapped off . No losse of hard face. IF ya snap off either end It do not affect the HF. If that were the case ya could never repair a frame or assy. As said before I have had senior smiths not find which anvil has the horn replaced.


  6. All that I can say is to pay what YOU are comfortable with. For some folks a $100 for any anvil is a lot of money, yet for others it is no problem.

    I have paid what I have because, for lack of a better term, I am a cheapskate.

    I have known some people that want something, and want it now no matter the cost. Me on the other hand, I have no problem waiting until I get it at a price that I agree with.

    If you can afford $2,$3,$4,$$$$$ a pound, pay it. The only thing that matters is if YOU are happy with the purchase.

    Amen Bro, Should have said that myself. Where ya are can set the price. Need can set the price. Want is even worse. Go to an auction say I am only going to spend
    $1.50 a lb D__m outbid by $.50 Go to $2.50 D__M outbid now $3.50. Been lucky so far. Last was a minty 174lb Trenton in a car dealers storage unit on the orig stump for$300. Went to a demo at a supplier one night after checking his site.
    Big anvil for $1200. Had 3 in the door way for pick up that night(all went) I have trouble buying a P hammer for that. It is what ya want vs what ya can afford
    I have learned if ya can afford something at $500 don't bid $550 Befor ya know it it's $750. However watch the item closely. I lost an air hammer for under $350
    cause I wasen't here to bid. Don't kick my butt i already have again and again.
    Best advice is have a fund ya can live with. Nothing worse than finding a 500lb H-B in mint cond for $400 And having only $200 in your stash. Some woun't take Co checks or CCs. Fortuanly I have most things I need or want. Anybody got a cheap air hammer or 250lb anvil?(no room but always looking)
    Ken.
  7. Some of you would really be suprised what a 300lb idiot with a 8lb sledge can do.
    had one show up at my welding/smithy shop. Broke off the horn and the heel on a 72lb H-B using said 8lb sledge. Wanted to know if I would weld um back on for $25. Told him I would fix it for $500 plus any heat treat. Glad he walked. Put a horn on my 88lb H-B nobody has found the weld yet. I will share the trick with ya all. for a horn drill and tap both pieces(my horn was a 3.5" rb)Screw toghter.
    grind a groove to the 3/4" stud then weld. Would think 2 studs for a heel. Use may snap a weld but the stud(s) will hold.
    Ken.


  8. I was just wondering if anyone on here knows or can tell me what type of tool steel they used on peter wright anvils for the welded on plate and if there are some give aways as to the general date of production of said anvil. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

    D__m lost the post. Anyhow PW used multi plates on early ones one piece on later ones(From AIA)"plates are best quality tool steel" Age would be by the way the logo was stamped in(in blocks)If ya post a pic of the logo we might get ya a block date.
    Ken.

  9. I am in Asheville N.C. & my tools are in storage in Ohio, normally I would weld steel but I don't have my tools so not being too experienced at soldering I was wondering before investing in a torch, solder etc... whether it would be possible to solder say a clean r.r. spike to say 24 gauge sheet steel to make say butterflies & dragonflies for ornaments (like yard art)I could ship my little lincoln 110 gassless down here but hate risking it getting damaged or lost anyhow thx for the input!

    Hi We met a few weeks ago at smileys. I have shipped in a $3500 plasma cutter from Calif. If ya are worried about damage or loss Ins is cheap. UPS broke a new digital drillpress coming from Chicago. Got paid for a new one and got to keep the broken one.
    Ken.

  10. You can get used up moil points (jackhammer points) just about anywhere. Check out your local tool rental store if they rent jackhammers or talk to road/cement contractors in your area.

    Most moil points are made of 1045 or similar and are great steel to make hardy tools or just about any blacksmith tool.

    Bob

    How about just an old fashioned crowbar? see them all the time at yard sales or flea markets.
    Ken.

  11. Not sure from your post wot this object is. But if you made the piece and heat treated it it should not be a real big deal to do it again. If you did not make it and did not heat treat it. You may be able to take a small propane torch and heat just enough to wire brush the surface and get the gunk off, ,,do not let the metal change colors and the heat treat will remain as is. I would do small areas at a time..Again if you fill in the blanks it would be easier to answer. Stay away from any fumes it gives off. a fan may help that.

    Rich, Sounded more to me that he put a oiled waxed finish on it and is worried about melting the finish. One of us probably got it right.
    Ken.
  12. OK I picked up a clean little 60lber at my flea market for $30. One of my mentors picked up a 50lber at the scrapyard(nice also) for $9. Should we advise
    not paying more thay that. Point is that was then and here and just being in the right place at the right time with $ in your pocket. It's sorta like auctions.
    Big city and or tourist spots bring your gold card. Find one where ya park in the pasture and go to the barn. Also watch out for those with buyers premiums
    Seen them as high as 30% Ask Ask and Ask again. The flea market seller will bring
    hammers and stuff and leave the 200lb anvil at home. Yard salers aren't going to drag it out either. I found my 6 within 50 miles.
    Ken.


  13. Like said, I was just remembering what Dad told me. I'm older than he was when he told me ;) , but that makes sense now that you mention it, Ken. But the fuel is being heated before the engine runs if "there is no fuel being pumped while the plugs are heating." I do know that without the fuel being warmed it won't ignite easily without compression or atomization. This is why the fuel in a jet engine burning JP5 (basically high grade fuel oil with a higher flash point than JP4) has to be heated before it is introduced to the already compressed air in the combustion stage and subsequent turbine. (Not a diesel mech but I was a jet mech)
    I wasn't aware of the atomization of the thinner fuel oil in a (commercially made ?) furnace but I was mainly referring to a waste oil burner in a home made forge. Waste oil would be much thicker than fuel oil and difficult to atomize by the backyard forge builder. We're still talking forges right? Sorry for going too OT.
    Scott :)
    Hi Scott,Yes to commercial burner. A 50yr old Lenox. On my mitsubishi tractor
    No fuel is heated. Glow plugs just provide a red hot spot to help the compression heat. Once the engine is warn it starts without the plugs. Some of the Yanmars use a fuel heater or compresion realese insted of glow plugs.
    Ken.
  14. Figure out the sq inches then multiply bt 120? 120psi is 120lbs per sq inch last time I checked. Now I do agree partly about repairing rusty tanks. However have seen more than a few and plated a few. Usually happens on a Sat or Sun. Got a pinhole weld on a 6inch patch. If it don't burn thru ya finish the job. Look for a tank on Mon.(or wait for the next time) The only tank I ever saw go thru a wall was a full 180 o2 bottle 2600psi fell over and snapped the neck off. But thats 2600psi thru a 1inch hole.
    Ken.


  15. I'm not a diesel mechanic but my father was and this is the way I remember him explaining it: It doesn't have to be compressed to burn. It has to be heated closer to its flash point (gasoline has a very low flash point). Diesel's is higher than a spark plug and the compression of a normal gas engine can ignite. Therefore, a diesel runs at much higher compression and uses a glow plug instead of a spark plug. Diesel will burn out side the engine when it gets hot enough. Just like oil, it has to be preheated. That's what the glow plug inside a diesel engine does. It preheats the fuel so the compression will start the burn easier. Once the engine is running, the glow plug generally shuts off as it is no longer needed.
    For a burner to run on diesel, it would need to be preheated just like a waste oil burner.

    I have to disagree with a few points. Glow plugs do not preheat the fuel.On my tractor and trackhoe there is no fuel being pumped while the plugs are heating.
    after running a while they will start without the plugs. Also I have no preheater in my oil furnace. Atomized oil is blown thru a transformer arc.
    Ken.

  16. I like it.
    Before I went in I had a nice long thick goatee that I was very proud of. Now a days if I am on leave I will let it grow out just a bit. It doesn't get very long before the large amount of grey in my chin whiskers depresses me enough to shave it off again.

    Grew mine in my 4th yr. Air wing was easier to get around things. long hair
    stash and herringbone utes( If ya got that ya know when I was in) Helos with fixed gear and single rotors. M1s 1911s S&W M&Ps. Aint seen my chin for 1/2 my
    lifetime. Semper Fi bro.
    Ken.

  17. doesn't diesel have to be compressed to burn?

    Needs lots of compression to fire an engine(over 300psi in my garden tractor)
    However an oil furnace burns with no compression(fine vapor). #2 heating oil is about the same as diesel. A lot of folks burn off road in the oil furnace.It is
    about $.50 a gal cheaper.
    Ken.
  18. OK this thread was true price of anvils. True price is what you are willing to pay. Seen a lot of old timers (I are one) saying $1.00 a lb. Get a life.
    What ya paid 40+yrs ago is irevelant. How much was a new car 40 yrs ago? I remember in the 60s thinking I want a corvette or T-bird. Guess I'll wait a few yrs till the price goes down. Anybody got a 53 vet or a 55 t bird cheap?
    Now 15-20 yrs ago smithing was a dieing trade. Tools were cheap. Not any more.
    just look at primo old power hammers. Once scrap prices now 4 times what they sold new. Botton line ya gotta pay to play or do without.
    Ken.


  19. I'm always somewhat perplexed why there is an all consuming desire to set to improving and old too to near new condition if what you wanted was a new tool why not buy one? Easily confused by this phenomena. :blink:
    http://www.oldworldanvils.com/anvils/two_horn_classic.html <_<

    Let me take a shot at this one. Why do some of us buy 50+ yr old cars. 1000lbs of rust/dents and dings burns more oil than gas. Gonna just drive it? I grew up getting my butt whipped for useing damaged tools. No do not halfbutt repairs
    but if ya have the skill/tools and time restore it. Had a saying in my older biker days. If I have to explane it ya probably won't understand. I do NOT
    fix anvils or tools for resale Or for hire. I repair MY tools, bikes,cars and guns for my own use. And used they are. My friends 57 chev gets out of the garage
    4 times a yr. My 48 chief was a daily driver for 3 yrs. There is no right or wrong. Do what makes ya happy.
    Ken.
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