EWCTool Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Why would one design be better than the other. I have noticed that larger hammers (200# and up, typically steam hammers) are usually two piece while smaller hammers tend to be one piece. Is this just the case to avoid "flex" in the hammer frame, and have the anvil take the blow instead of the frame? I know that Anyang makes the C41-75 model in both a one piece and two piece. Which would be the better investment and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWooldridge Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Ease of manufacture - think of trying to pour 20,000 lbs of cast iron all at once into a mold. At some point, it's too difficult to handle one big piece of cast iron so the frames are designed to bolt together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. K. Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I believe the 2-peice hammers have a better tup to anvil ratio but require a more complex foundation/install Also see this previous discussion: http://www.iforgeiron.com/topic/11755-one-piece-or-two-piece/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Dave Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 In the previous discussion link above, Mr Johnson didn't state the anvil ratio of the 1 piece and 2 piece hammers. I wonder what they are for all the 1 piece hammers that he has in stock now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWCTool Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 Other than the advantages listed above and in the other thread, is one design more durable than the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r smith Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 In theory the two piece takes less pounding on the frame and mechanics due to the anvil not transfering any blow energy, but in reality?? One piece may be easier to sell as to the ease of installation. Nazel 1 piece hammers command a premium (15-25%?) over the two piece counterparts. smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 I know for the Nazel they consider a one peice a "light duty" hammer. They made 1,2's and 3's as one peice and I was told that the lower section was alloy steel, not cast iron. The Navy used one peice hammers on ships for obvious reasons. I have owned a 200lb one peice chambersberg self contained, a 300lb one peice chambersberg steam hammer and both a 2B and 3B one peice Nazel... The 4B I am working on now is my first 2 peice hammer. I dont think there is any question that a two peice is more durable but I also dont think in a smaller hammer (anything under 300lbs) that if its well built a single piece frame is a drawback and its certainly less work to get it up and running. I think in the Anyang because they are patterned after the chambersberg the 165 is the limit for the cast iron (they are physical about the same size as a CH2 Chambersberg which actually has a ram weight of 180lbs) I think the reason Nazel got away with the 3B is because of the two peice one peice frame and the lower section being steel rather than cast iron (the two castings are permanently joined by two steel collars that are heat shrunk in place) The one peice 3B's have a ram weight of 230-250 lbs and some of the two peice hammers are considerably more, I have heard up to 330 lbs which is significant given the ram in my 4B is 290 lbs without the die, about 350 with.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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