so i got discouraged tonight trying to make some tongs, about sead the heck with it all , so i came in and sat down and just stumbled across this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZosFgJMDkc&feature=related

put it back in focus for me, and i remembered i was new at this without training and it will take time.....

pugman- it all takes ages doesnt it!! if its any consolation i have had almost endless trouble with tongs! you aint alone :) keep going.... :)

Starting class today. We'll make tongs during the third week and lap weld the reins.

ya i know, thing i have call'd work keeps me from your school till next year , or i might be able to do it this winter sometime we get slow at work then...