Thanks Owen, Yep God's own country and not just for anvils A proper anvil will have to wait until fund are a little better, I'm a minimum-wage slave but thankful I have a job. That is a rare thing around here. I can honestly say I actually enjoy my work. I am a carer in a care home and look after adults with challenging behaviour, every day is a new experience and a learning one too. I'm looking at Smithing as a way of switching off, letting the metal be my total focus... meditation if you will... loud, hot meditation In the mean time I shall keep an eye open for a lump of steel to use as an anvil and heat it with a charcoal fire in an oildrum (I looked up the 55 forge, Thanks Frosty) and hit it with my children if I have to until I get a decent hammer. I really look forward to learning from the group's experiences and I'll find a way of forging that suits me perfectly. ATB Carl