Valentin

Nope ... the picket was made on other dies , different smith and other power hammer...(that's what i use for inspiration )
I have also redone the fish tail fitting of the dies ...1st time they where made with an angle grinder and they where a bit loos. (call me a dreamer for using a frinder to make this dies and hope to work )

Nice !!! Man i wish for such a big compressor to :)

Good tip glenn have to try that ! 10x

Nice present !

I tried 18mm square same awful result

Ant way this is where i am now ... the picket is not made by me but the die is ......5 minutes ago i got back from the shop no more sun light to see i'll be dressing it better tomorrow a few more hours.... The dies at the present form. Do u think that much of an angle can be the reason for my problems as in picture 2 ...(i plan to fix that to but it is a problem in the groves caz i can't put the 90^ angle and see the light)

I don't know if the hammer is or not big enof but defenetly bigger than the hammers that thyey sell the die for (the bigger that they seem to have for sale is a 50Kg) nine is at least 80...90kg 12kw electric motor(They got a 5kw) and in the die specs of the die it says that they use round or square 30mm stock ... have to try round as well can't wayt for tomorow ... i'll be posting the pics of the progress or ... downfall

ps : just read the specs of the die ...it's ment for GSW 51 OR GSW 60
That's theyr 51 and 60kg air hammer

Tomorow i get the dies back ... and if it does not work i won't have any other choise than use the lathe to make the groves... it's proably a bi cheaper than forging it ...
Check this out(my inspiration) http://www.glaser.de/fileadmin/download/maschinenkatalog07.pdf Page 109 the die is presented in the lower left side of the page and i bet they don't do the picket in 2 steps ...

(Frosty, I hope I am not speaking out of turn here)
I believe what Frosty means is to utilize only one half (lengthways) of the die. Even so, the material changes legthways as it is worked. A solution would be to turn the material after every two or so hits, rather than complete two sides and turn to the other.

I haven't been working only on 2 sides i always took turn every 2 hits. I started thinking completeing to sides than turning to the oter 2 ....but i think that will offset my peace complelty

I would have tried to make the dies as two v's. Construction of the dies would have taken much longer, though the operation may take less in application.

The die made as to V's shape that's a chalange that can't be done in my shiop.Or maybe it can but i am not up to doing it

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And this is all 10x to you Amazing i know And i thank you all for your support and ideas .
Glenn your words fit like a glove to this thread and u got me thinking

Tools do not make the blacksmith, the blacksmith makes the tools

Hofi may be right and i completly understand his point but it's 2 mutch time consuming for one peace (to grind or pre fuller or whatever neded to get the exces material away)and time is money and that will exced my 2,5 USD/peace money limit. maybe i'll be doing it on a press(second option) more control of the presure ... i don't know but it has to be one operation job.I thought about it all night.

Ok well i went with the die to my uncle who is a machinist and has a few mills in the shop and took the levels on every up and low of the die for perfect alighnment and did most of the leveling posible on the mill...It wasn't mutch offset thow but now is 100% leveled done with a machine not with my hands and with the angle grinder tomorow time to test and see if any improvment ... if the die is perfect than probably the forger has a problem :)

Is this what u mean ? when u say inner necks ? won't that change to much from the form of the picket ?

Hmm i don't know the trick is in that ''stop'' i think but when and how to use it well that's a second story. I use the STOP on the 1st hit material will grow... on the second hit if i use the STOP the material will be longer and autmtatacly will be unalined ...using it for the second hit ...it's an ideea ...

I have never roled the stock on all 4 sides just worled 2 of them do u think that can be a problem ?

10x for the fast reply ... the problem is not that the dies don't line up they do ... just that in the picture it;s a flatbar benith them and that's keeping them at an angle(the flat bar is a helper to alighn the stock paralel to the die...it's a rest on one side).
Frosty: I did the dies as u sayed weldet them toghether and then grinded as one... cuting them into half i don't think will solve the problem the caz upp and lower is alined just up and left is not look at the schetch that i made.
Ed... Mike: i know others are doing the same picket on a bought die(from a factory) without fullering you can buy the die from glasser(company)
the ideea with a stop in front crosed my mind ... it's just that the stock it's quite thick 35mm. that's 1,5i nches i think and the concern is that after the 1st 2..3 hits the material will start to get longer and that will make my ,,stop'' witout a point... but hey that's my last resort ...

Nice story's ! and nice to see the photo of the original Haberman hammer !10x Glenn

10x to bad my picket's from my other post don't come up ... man i am so frustrated ...so much work on those dies :(

This will be a cloth rack far from being finished so consider it a work in progress and i'll keep following new pictures while it's getting done ...any way here it is as it is now feel free to judge me.The last picture is the handle of a fire poker that i just finished ... i like it a lot.

I really need this things to work especialy tomorow ... i worked on this die for so long now ...and here is the problem ... the picture says 1000 words the thing is that the dies ar not offset and i am turning the peace every 2 hits ...is it my tehnique that's a problem ... the lines don't alline up . Up aliines with down and left with right but up with left does not ... if u need me to be more specific i can try to ... any way here are the pics with the picket and with the die

Go to a junk steel yard and pick some cheap bars from over there they shoud get u started ! Cheap and good for learning

Hmm i never got that far ! Congrats on the forge weld !

I am ashamed of the prices i have to ask the customer when he comes with a job for me .. man iron is expensive and for sure i am not getting any reacher :)

Any of u guys have actualy done this ?

future soup

I don;t think Richard will agree with u :)

I never seen this done in Romania or heard of ...Is the anvil getting any damage ?

Found this movies while browsing arround and thought about sharing with u guys...one describes the procedure needed to make a good anvil shoot

Anvil shoot