In reference to what dablacksmith had to say...I get a lot of people who expect it to be cheaper, "after all, you made it yourself". And then there are the ones who want a special deal. Well, just because I give them a deal doesn't mean that my materials are less or my labor is less. I used to give special deals as I felt like some money was better than no money. I found that if I gave one person a deal the word got around and I was having to give everyone a deal. That has changed. I no longer give a deal. If they want it they will pay the price. I am not a production shop and each item is made one at a time. There is a lot of cheap stuff from Mexico, China, India, etc. But people who care can tell the difference and feel the difference. Fortunately the housing market is not very depressed here and there are plenty of millionaires here who are tire of the typical welding shop stuff (go to the steel supply place, buy parts, and weld them together). But yeah, general sales at demos and the like are down. People, in general, are strapped.