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Yes, it looks like some work-hardened delamination. I've worn hearing aids for over 30 years so am also am bit shy of high toned rings.

Yes, I will use Thomas. Thanks. Jerry

Arkie and Tom (or do you prefer Thomas?) Thanks for your comments. Hopefully the library will produce and I'll likely wind up buying the book in the end. Will check on an update before I buy. Jerry

Foxfire, Hope I didn't interrupt your regurgitation, As a newbie, perhaps you can educate me on the quality difference between the two makers. BTW: I actually live in a waterfront but very rural area with close neighbors only present on weekends, so the sound issue could be worked around if there was reason to do so. Do you just have a preference for HB or is there a real performance difference? If no material difference, I am about a 7 hour drive and have a guest room and cocktails and dinner available, should you want to rescue this one. Jerry

Did another exam of the anvil today and can find no weight marks, no writing and no serial number. I did spot what I believe is a seam adjoining the upper and lower sections at the waist. Tapped a bit with a 2.5 lbs hammer while it was sitting free on the plywood box with the smaller PW next to it. BIG difference in sound once removed from the cast iron base. Talk about a RING!!!!!. It rings and echoes high and loud all over the table face, but especially at the extremes of the horn and heel. With my severe high freq hearing loss from many years in the artillery, I doubt I will keep it. Rather, I'll likely sell it and the PW to help offset my investment in the two Fishers. The Fishers are very quiet anvils, relatively speaking and will make easier in the neighborhood. I stopped by our library today and asked them to get me Postman's book on ILL. Hopefully I'll see it someday. Jerry

Went to my library today and requested ILL of Postman's book. Remote little library...we shall see. Jerry

Thanks all for responding. Didn't mean to hijack Emower's thread. Jerry

Thanks Matto. Jerry

Have found nothing but will look again. Thanks.

Blackfrog, Thanks. Tom, Thanks. Rest assured, I'll do no milling. As this picture shows, its pretty darned flat as it is. I intend to belt sand it a bit (80 grit) to cut through the rust and that is it. Jerry

Thanks Matto, I see what you mean now. Was totally unaware of that characteristic. Perhaps that is what Tom Powers was referring to back in Feb when he said " Some of the early HBs had a very shallow rim to them that have been known to wear flat over a long life. I have one like that, you almost have to dust it to see the hourglass. " I was expecting to see some sort of defined hourglass-like logo cast into the base, not a rim edge on the base. My error. What can you tell me about the face/table? I seem to see some indication (line) indicating a welded tool steel surface, but it doesn't seem to travel the whole distance. I don't know how HB finished off the work surface of their anvils. The repaired area seems to have held up well, perhaps it was capped with hardface rod? Jerry

I am also very interested in this because I do not understand the construction of the new anvil I got this week which is suspected to be a HB. Jerry

Tom, I just got access to the site restored due to a technical glitch. Regarding your comments above, I didn't mean to be spreading urban rumors. The country folk here in Virginia believe it and I doubt they have ever heard of Paw Paw Wilson. Nonetheless, I shall cease and desist as you requested. Jerry

Matto, Thanks for responding. What rim are you referring to and how does it point to Hay-Budden? Jerry

I'm in Virginia. Don't know enough about HB to comment on their availability here. Jerry

Hi everyone, Got this anvil yesterday. I had posted about this anvil several weeks ago and the consensis was it was a Hay Budden. Due to site/login problems, I can no longer access your responses to refresh your memories so I'm on a new account. Anvil came from a local fellow who bought it from a family with a railroad history when they sold the barn/farm. It was mounted on a cast iron low platform which may have been a switch base in its original life. I removed it from the base to clean it up. Approximate anvil weight is 300 lbs. Length 32", height 13", width is 5 1/8". Base is 13x12" and base is about 2" thick at corners. The only identifier is a "6" left under the horn. Horn is 9" (12" including the step). Hardy is 1 3/8", pritchel is 5/8". It had been painted at some point but was mostly bare metal. Wire wheeled it today and coated it with linseed oil. Before oiling, used blue chalk and could not raise any identifiers. Please give your opinions on its identification and history. All the strike marks on the body make me think it may be a forged base. Ring is loud and clear, especially loud at the extreme ends. Rebound is great. At the step it appears an old repair was made. Top is flat. BTW: Smaller anvil in the background is a 214 lbs Peter Wright. Thanks for your efforts. Jerry

Posting attempt 1. Thanks fellas. In a few days I'll remind him via e-mail of my continuing interest and see what he says. Jerry HEY !!! I got lucky in posting.

11th attempt to respond, including a computer restart. Never see such a tough site to use. Tom, Thanks for reaffirming my decision to walk away. He has my contact info. BTW: I have a retail store but am only fooling with anvils to learn. I do have my 214 lbs Peter Wright listed on CL but have made no further selling plans. Jerry

No noticable buzzing. I used his small 16 oz ball peen. Did not strike hard enough to dent. You think I may have made a mistake walking away at that price?

Crap! Lost my post again!!! I'm not a typist. Anvil is tightly secured to the base and base thickness is about 3/4". Rebound varied, particularly near the Hardy. The flat of the horn had no rebound at all. Made me wonder if the top is tool steel and body is cast, similar to Fisher. My Fishers have the tool steel extended from the table fully across the flat of the horn step and across the top of the horn. I don't know how the H-Bs were made.

Update: I looked at it and struck it repeatedly. IMO, the table was not consistent in rebound or ring. No obvious damage but I was just not impressed with the sound. Maybe that is characteristic of Hay-Buddens (if that is what this anvil is). I've never seen a H-B before. There were no other identifying marks. The stand is open in the center so I could feel the bottom. No hourglass recess. Totally flat on the bottom. Anyway, given that the brand is not clearly determinable, I felt he wanted to much for the anvil (started at $1,000 and came down to $750). I went as high as $600. No deal.

Roger Tom. I keep trying to reply and post but most disappears. Frustrating! So did my response to you........................ Either the stand is free or it will be a plant stand at his house.

Direrwolf, Thank you. I kinda figured it was closer to my Fisher in weight. I don't understand the board/forum, I guess. I posted details twice and can't see my own posts, so don't know what anyone else is seeing. Jerry Direwold, I see the one I just addressed to your response. The other two have disappeared. Something is screwy. Jerry

Thanks Frank and Ivan. What is your assessment of condition (given the rust-covered surface) and is there a place where I can find out the different sizes Hay-Buden made? Jerry

Frank, I went back to him. The "6" is on the waist under the horn. Now to find some info on the various versions of Hay-Budens in the larger sizes. Thanks. Jerry