Thanks for the responses I have been practicing every chance I get and are learning quite a bit. Have also made some phone calls and had some very helpful conversations with some very nice folks. Yesterday my uncle loaned me the use of a fisher anvil weighed 125 lbs on bathroom scale not sure how accurate they are it is a litttle rough not have been taking very good care of several nicks and weld splatters a lot better what I was using thoug. Still going to get my own but have more time to look and learn and get the anvil that is best for me. Currentl looking at Refflinghaus, Peddinghaus, and Fontaini any opinions on these anvils.