i did try to normalize Loneforge, but I think Thomas nailed it with the thiness. probably affects the method of normalization to. Been a sheet metal worker for 15 yrs, welding for 9 yrs and blacksmithing for 4 yrs and ive only been trying my hand @ blades for several month now ( im way to use to mild steel, ss and alum from my trades) tool steel is pretty new to me