Thank you Arcc, do you mean the champion works best on the small break drum versus using it on the main forge. I dont know the number on the champion forge pictured above but im guessing its a #40.Whats the difference between a 40 and a 400. Ive been searching around and had alot of hits on the champion ( repairing/use of etc...) but there isnt that many hits on the canedy royal western chief. My ultimate goal is to build a semi large stationary forge. I dont plan on ever moving it. I would use my gas forge for that. Are those prices reasonable if there in " fine" working order. BTW- both these come from a blacksmith whos been forging for over 30 years. He had them in storage until i inquired about them. I trust him. As was mentioned by Matto, the canedy is the cream of the crop- im just worried about repairing it ( when it need be) because of the limited info out there. Please remmember , i am very very new to all this, so if my logic is off, i apologize . Thank yall- much--Marekz