Red Green

OK, I’ll go, thank you for your time.

Hey Southshorsemith, If you’re really angry and want to hit somebody do what I use to do, go into a bar and shout ‘I can kick anybody’s xxx in here” It shouldn’t take long, just stay out of xxx bars, those guys are wimps. I have said this and cannot bring myself to remove it, it would only make it worse, it shows I’m human and make great errors. I ask that you don’t judge me too harshly.

Southshorsemith said: “Red Green I got clinkers bigger than you.” It must be hard to get your iron in there, I’d try a new bag of coal.

Good day Mr. Thompson, That’s wild, maybe it’s an advance out the door. Yes, it’s true I spend little time with blacksmiths, or anyone for that matter. Yes, smiths are that, and much more. If you look at the bottom of my first post you will see my name and location. I assume “indication of your professional output” is a question of who are you. I’m a dyslexic high school dropout. I hope that does not bring you to the conclusion that I am incapable of contributing to the betterment of this craft. And duct tape will save the world . I am a nube here, and I do not think my skills as a smith are worthy of comment when so many highly skilled and talented smiths are here to answer. “Your apparent ability to upset nearly everyone” I seem to have the uncanny ability to cause that, my effect on people is like crackers in bed. “I hope that I can be proved wrong.” I will let others prove that one way or the other. “Pretentious nonsense.” Wow, I assume that was pointed at me. What is I said that make you feel that way?

Anvilflower, I’m making an anvil to forge an idea.

Mr. Grant, I’m not playing, and I don’t think this can be accomplished within a few days. You must admit this idea is convoluted and hard to swallow. I don’t know of any objects or set of objects that man has brought forth in this manner. The idea of a mental exercise to create an unnecessary object to use as a model and design field for reapplication of existing and functional apparatus and the creation of new ones, will cause some to miss the point. And resistance to such an idea will undoubtedly manifest itself in some people. If I do come to the conclusion that it is useless to continue here, then I must find a new venue for this exercise. I doubt that I will find any such venue that will not be resisted in some manner, so I’ll stay until that time.

Amazing

Mr. Southshorsemith, I have no problem with existing tooling. Please read post #76 I don’t know how to say it any plainer. I’m really not trying to take anything away. There is nothing for anyone to make until there is a design. Its tools that is the goal, tools like we use now, maybe some new designs we will find very useful. Tools designed to be adaptable to your environment, your style of smithing. If this idea just will not fit in your world, so be it.

Southshorsemith said: “What problems do you see? Tell Me” The only problem I see is someone who apparently wants conflict. I’d like to think we may be very much the same and perhaps your words are not pointed, but only hasty in tone, the true meaning lost in my interpretation. But I don’t think so, so let me say, I am not your nemeses and no threat to you and yours. Have I insulted you beyond forgiveness? At what point will you accept that you’re the better man? What is it that you want?

Anvilflower, you have a nice name, you make flowers? If your asking me if I am going to build a European anvil then no, I’m not an anvil maker, but if you have a pattern you can have one cast at a foundry.

Hello Mr. southshoresmith, “I honestly don't see any problem with the existing equipment.” I know you’ve said so before. “Other than stuff that is not set up right or people not having the experience of how to use it properly.” Don’t take this as a go away it’s not, please stay and continue to comment. But why don’t you start a thread in the tools section on how to properly fit tooling in hardys and such? I’m sure many would benefit from your experience. “You want a universal to holder we have one its called a vise.” Is your comment that the holder should be built like a vice? Interesting idea, how do you purpose it should be constructed? “I asked before what is the problem with a traditional set up? “ If a traditional set up is the same as the picture of your shop, wow, nothing is wrong with it. “You can see various patents in the back of the book "Anvils in America" several of them for elaborate improvements on anvils. One of them is for a anvil with dovetailed in replaceable face. In the heyday of the blacksmith in America when they were making thousands of tons of anvils a year if some body could have come up with a better and cheaper modular anvil it would have sold. Especally back then when labor was cheaper and our collective knowledge of blacksmithing was far greater. Anvils were a were an absolute necessity at the time and their design the result of thousands of years ofmetalworking knowledge. On top of that there are many types of anvils, the cutlers anvil comes to mind. It had dovetails in the face to hold tools that were in constant usage. Do you think a bunch of hobbyist some of witch have limited actual forging experience are going to in a few evenings typing away on the internet do better.” You seem to have a great deal of respect for men who lived in the past and very little for those who live in the present. If you look carefully you’ll see we are not much different, it’s just that were not dead. “If you are doing this because you think its cool or fun go for it and I will stop my criticism.” Criticize away. “But if you think this is going to fundamentally change the craft well I don't know what to say.” I don’t think it will affect the craft at all, it may get some people a few new tools though. “Prove me wrong build one that is so useful that I will need to buy one to stay in business.” Well, I don’t have anything to prove, I don’t know what it is you want me to build, I don’t think I could affect your business.

Wow Mr. Newman you’re one of the people I really do not want to misunderstand what I’m saying. The standard is not for the tools, they are to be made in any way the manufacture wishes, in any manner, out of any material required, attached in any way seen fit. The standard is for the holder that we need to design together, meaning as many people with of course the knowledge and willingness to contribute. When the design standard is completed and a consensus approves of it, it does not even ever have to be built by anyone. It’s not the object of the goal, the goal is the tools made for it. The standard gives manufactures an object to design for, it gives buyers a reasonable expectation of knowing what will be required of them to use it before they make an investment. A major part of the design features needs to address the fact that not everybody wants the same thing. The tools need to be adaptable so the holder must not interfere with that aspect of the tools. Therefore in my opinion the holder should be as simple as possible. At the same time the holder is not an empty exercise I’m sure some will want one, so it should be sturdy, useable and reasonably easy to build. I don’t want to set up limitations or requirements on how to design this holder that’s for all of us to do.

Mr. Grant Yes, read the above post again. Do I seem overly apologetic? I may be, I’ve always regretted the damage I’ve done in dispute, and never regretted apologizing in the attempt to advert it.

Mr. Grant You’re right, I have polluted this thread with my blabbering and unwanted opinions so I have no one to blame but me.

Mr. Powers, I’m sorry, I did not at any time intend to attack you in any way, I don’t know what to say, how do I ask for forgiveness when I don’t know what I’ve done? I still do not understand what I’m supposed to build a prototype of. Did I miss something?