Wayne5407

Thank you g son, that was the thread I was looking for, and everyone else thank you for your help, very much appreciated. When I finish building my new forge following frostys design I’ll give ya guys an update

It’s not letting me go back to the previous page, it get stuck on loading. It’s not my internet either because it responds to anything else I do

Fair enough frosty, I won’t argue. You said earlier you have a guide on t burners? Can you give me a link to your guide so I can build them? I want to do this right and nobody likes wasting money so excuse me for seeming arrgoant. I would search but I barely know how to navigate this site. Also a good insulation lay out would be helpful, because I think my bricks are inadequate.

Ok, I think that I need more air is pretty obvious. What am I changing? Longer or shorter mixing tubes, bigger flares? Smaller jets.. like how am I supposed to achieve this goal is what I’ve been after.. also forge, how am I second guessing? I simply made a hypothesis on where I think I XXXXXX up.. I already have the design I like, now what about it needs to be different? This is where I’m getting frustrated at

No, the YouTuber I followed was “handy guy”. But in all honesty I wonder if I’m having back pressure issues, also with the fact my burners are in the forge itself. I see many designs and it’s hard to pick just one. Also from what I read is the tuning should be done outside of the forge, but when I run my burners outside they looked and sounded good. I’ll have to cut the top off once more and take a pic. Everytime I light the forge with 3 burners on the whole garage shakes from the force and I light it within seconds on medium pressure. May have to hold off on this project if I can’t use what I have because I have a good chunk of money in what seems to be a huge failure and it’s disappointing to say the least. Typically I have no problem with research, but I was more or less searching for a clear cut answer as to what my issues may be, and I don’t think any have been answered specifically.. for example, I understand the forge is running rich, but how do I solve that problem? Bigger flares on the ends, drill holes? Add collars for secondary air flow? I’m just looking for simple answers that are quick and obvious, instead of wondering if my alignments off, or if there’s a burr, because the burners run fine in free air, instead I’ve received information that was not relevant to my specific question and overwhelming amounts of information that may or may not even be my problem, when the main question was how do I make these burn right, do I need air? Do I need space, something along those lines, I do appreciate the tips, information and links more than you guys know as I will spend my free time reaserching, but I feel like my questions are still out there. Also I’m not aiming to come off rude by any means so please don’t take this the wrong way, also I hope everyone has a safe and happy New Years.

Appreciate the help everyone and the reason I went with three was to reduce heat time, but I guess it wasted more time in the end. And from what o was reading on a link above was I had no secondary source which would be the collars I should’ve put in but instead welded shut trying to save time. I’m pretty familiar with shop tools and what not, but clearly not when it comes to the science of the burners. Latticino the burners flares are black pipe, 3/4 mixing tube, with 1” to 3/4 reducers, only galvanized metal on this build is the fuel rail. When building it everything was as centered as I possible could get it, I had burner 2 running like the picture of burner 1 was running, I think my issue is I didn’t put the collar in like the build I followed, that’s the only part i strayed from, that’s why in the picture I show the 8 x 3/4 pipe with the bigger pipe around it, because that’s what I found at menards that I thought could make work, am I wrong on the secondary air source assumption? Also when I had all 3 in free air they seemed to run very well, also I do try and follow every safety procedure possible, the moment I started feeling too off I shut down and got out. As far as the fire brick it was something I found at menards for ovens and what not for around 2000 degrees. Really don’t want to start over if I don’t have to, but I don’t want to die either. Does anyone have a link of Ron’s burners and maybe the proper bricks I need? YouTube has a few things but have to take ideas from everybody which sucks. Any good easy builds out there?

In order, 1) burner 1 (2) burner 2, (3) burner two with back closed (4) burner 3. I did have burner one and two running like pic one last time I ran it I plan on making adjustable collars instead of welding it closed, because drilling in the pipe seemed to not make much of a difference and ended up welding the holes up a bit because I went too big

I have .023 mig tip in cross bar and as far as c goes, is that the area I have welded through the plate? Where there should be a collar? And will the reducers work or do I absolutely need them replaced?

Big garage door and small door were both open. Garage is separate from house, figured that would be enough ventilation Iron dragon, from what I read In the first link seemed to be very helpful and confirmed one of my fears. I think because I welded the burner tube to the top plate instead of having a collar and suspending it may be my issue for the reason it’s not burning and the co2. From what I understood in the link is that the secondary air source help the burner run safer and not create as much exhaust gas, and since it is welded shut, there is no secondary air source other than the holes I drilled in the tubes. Only reason for welding those shut was because I didn’t have something big enough to make a hole for the collar, and wanted to save time on drilling. I don’t think my ventilation is terrible as it’s a decent size, and as mentioned in intital post I run the 155,000 btu kerosene heater with the big door cracked less than a foot without similar symptoms. I’ll have to cut the tubes off, and find a way to redrill holes big enough in a new plate to accommodate the burners. But on a side note, if I do that would I be able to reduce my forge height to half again? Or would that be too much back pressure?

Big garage door and small door were both open. Garage is separate from house, figured that would be enough ventilation

I took pics of the forge I’ll take pictures of the area i have, also garage is not hooked up to house, I have a 20lb LP tank

I took one out to the garage from inside after I shut down left it there for a few minutes and it didn’t go off, and it’s brand new. But I will have the next to me when it’s running

So I made a triple burner forge, the burner is a linear style, with valves to control one two and three. All is fed from one to the next. They are fixed jets. I used 1/4” galvanized pipe for the fuel line and tapped into that for my .023 mig tip. The rest is 1 3/4 bell reducers with 8 x 3/4” pipe. Both ends have bell reducers. Inside diameter of forge is 6.5” wide, 18” long, and 9” in height. I have a 20lb lp tank, with a 12ft hose and 20psi adjustable regulator. My issue is burner one and two run okay, but they are not loud, flame seems stable with burner number three off. Back is covered with removable bricks, and front is covered by other bricks when I’m heating my billet, after 25-30 mins on 20 psi my billet online reaches orange, it just starts to look wet, when I turn burner 3 on, 1 and 2 die down a bit, but the flame coming out of the forge is more of a low psi type flame, I’ve tried drilling holes into the pipe below jet to infuse more air, recently made forge taller because number 2 would not stay lit, and that seemed to help a lot, my issue is my forge doesn’t seem to get hot enough, and I have a deep 2 car garage where I can fit one car side ways and a ranger and a small car in side by side with some room to work with two windows open, garage door open all the way and the actual door open I started to feel very nauseous, so I feel like they are not burning optimally because I have 155,000 btu torpedo heater I can run with the big door open 8inchs to a foot, warm the whole garage and not feel the way I did. Not sure what to do, I thought about adding another tank but when I had the top off each burner ran great in free air so I’m not even sure what to do at this point, I’ve tried making the forge bigger, adding holes for air and still nothing, please help