I guess i did not realize i needed more seed then a few pennies to get it going. That being said what would be the answer to that? I tried borax before ( pic of the 2 metal chunks it was used on top one, not bottom)and the results were unclear, maybe i did not use enough. Also i do have pieces of copper instead of wire, but since i was unable to liquify any of the copper i just have not tried that yet ( also i have a lot more wire). Which then leads me to the last question, once the crucible has liquid copper in it the wire should take easily to liquid form after adding it too the mix with little effort. So instead of starting off with wire add it in later..
also my neighbor keeps telling me that propane is unable to get copper to the melting point and this is a waste...