Declan Kenny

That lathe looks nice and solid. Did you ever make bowls on it?

That's great stuff (particularly the bit where the forum swings into action when I'm hitting the hay!). I am not at the forge welding stage yet, but I hope to progress to that. Mind you, with the amount of good quality scrap available, there's no need. I am using a pole lathe for demos, but in the workshop, I don't have the room, so I use bungee cord and a thin leather strap. Great for turning bowls. Haven't tried forging on site yet, for the public - that's a private matter for now, 'til I get half decent at it.
I'd love to see some pics of your lathe.
Cheers again.
Dec

Hi,
I'm one of those 'traditional' turners! I try and do things from the early mediaeval period of European history, or Viking Age, as it's sometimes called in Ireland. To that end, I made my own lathe for bowl-turning, and try and forge my own tools. The traditional hook tools were all made from one piece of iron with long wooden handles. It's tempting to go the carbide route, but then I'm trying to cut timber, not corners...
Thanks for the reply though; it would certainly save time.

Nope - no power hammer here I'm afraid, but on the plus side, hook tools don't require much work on the forge; it's getting an edge and keeping it that requires the time!
Cheers,
Dec

Thanks for the replies. The torsion bar I picked up today is solid, and looks to be good quality. I'll have a crack at a few tools over the next week or so and post some pics.

Hi,
I've no doubt this topic has come up before, but I am going to get my hands on some torsion bar to try and forge some wood turning hook tools. The steel will come out of a breakers yard from old cars; I'm hoping to get it at around 16 - 18mm in diameter.
The main issue is, I guess, that I will have no idea what the composition of the steel is. Is it safe to assume it should have a reasonable carbon content of around 0.5% and more? And what typically would the other small percentages be made up of? Chrome, nickel? I've no idea, but I suspect they all vary hugely.
Are there any issues in terms of forging heat, annealing and tempering? Or just treat it as ordinary carbon steel and see what happens?
Thanks in advance.

The first two hooks are ready for grinding an edge in the morning.

Thanks again for all the advice. I can get my hands on coil spring no problem. Made a couple of hooks today, one from an old chisel, and one from a large round file; I'll see how well they hold an edge tomorrow when I grind, temper and sharpen.
Cheers,
Declan

No, not off topic at all. There's no reason why small amounts of really good steel could not be welded onto mild bar for the shafts - after all, these hook tools are quite long, and it would eat up lots of good steel, most of which would never be used for cutting. Having said that, I would need to bow to greater knowledge for such welding skills, and fortunately, my mechanic friend next door is just the man! But for historical accuracy, I would be grinding this weld down to 'hide' it. And the changeable tips wouldn't be a runner at all. But then most of the timber to be turned on a pole lathe is relatively green, so carbide should not be necessary.

Sure. Will do.

I agree it's really an anvil, but 'moulding block' seems to fit in better with the Triad. It's definitely my favourite. The other one I like is:
triad 238: Tr

Yes, thralls are hard to come by! But if you Google Robin Wood Battle of the Bowl Turners (or on YouTube) you can see that the pole lathe is really rather nifty.

Thanks for all the feedback. I've just tested a few bits of steel in the workshop and I definitely have some prospects there for a hook tool or two.

If I have any luck, I'll post some pics. It's a long term ambition of mine to forge a whole carpenter's set of tools, a la Mastermyr. With the recession here in Ireland, I might just have the time...

Thanks for those replies. I'll give it a go and see how I get on. I think the springs I have are not that old, and so probably even poorer quality steel than some of the stuff you guys in the States have. I have a few files as well, so might try both and see how they compare.

Hi,

I am hoping to make some hook tools for a pole-lathe for turning bowls this weekend. I picked up a few pieces of leaf spring from a scrap yard today. Do you think the steel generally in these car parts should be okay for making gouges and hook tools for turning, or is it really a hit-and-miss thing with scrap steel?

I have no way of finding out the carbon content other than the usual temper and file method.

Any thoughts?

Cheers,
Declan

Thanks for that. Sounds like the stuff to use!

Cheers Rich. I will give it a go in the morning.

My wife and I are living historians /reenactors and make all our gear, accrouterments,clothes,etc as historicaly accurate as possible.
One of the main reasons I took up blacksmithing.

Sometimes it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all possible doubt... or put another way, maybe I should listen for now, and learn! But thanks for the invite. Now where's me Jameson...?

Thanks for that link - lots of good stuff there. I sense I will have quite a few 'oops' moments over the next wee while! I sense (being on GMT here in Ireland) that I will have hit the hay when you guys are chatting online. But no doubt there will be plenty to read up on in the forum. Thanks again.

Thanks for that. Glueing in the handle would have been the very last thing I would have done in any case, so there would have been no danger of heat damaging the epoxy, but it's a good point to bear in mind. I wonder what (if anything) our ancestors might have used? Perhaps a hide glue. I also understand making a very fresh green handle works too, in that the seasoning of the timber causes shrinkage which naturally grips the tang.

Hi,
I have made a few small blades from parts of old files. I forged them both around the same time and achieved the shape I wanted. I then left them to anneal in ash before grinding and polishing. I have yet to temper them. I suspect I should have tempered them before I tried to get a good finish and an edge. Two questions, then: at what stage should you temper the blade?

I also hope to fit simple wooden handles (most probably in yew). As these knives are to be approximately early mediaeval in style, and quite simple in design, I won't use rivets. However, to make sure the tang doesn't either split the wood or twist in the handle in use, I was thinking of using some form of epoxy glue. Second question: does anyone recommend anything in particular for this job? (I'll post the pics when I fit the handles).

Many thanks,
Declan

Allow me to clarify- by wrought iron I was refering to the actual material itself, the iron. Is anyone in Ireland making puddle process wrought iron these days? Is it available to you from Norway or Sweden at affordable prices?
Dan

Hi,
Not sure to be honest. I'm still on the lookout for a decent supplier of tools and I will be frequenting scrap dealers for stock of both mild and high carbon steel. I have quite a few odds and ends in the workshop, and as I hope to make woodworking tools, I will use old files. But if I was a betting man I would say no. Ireland has done away with many of these types of businesses, either by accident or by design. But someone may correct me on that.
Declan

Show us your forge, sounds kinda like mine a collections of odds and ends.

Hi Dan,
I'm in County Kildare, in a town called Leixlip, which is about 18kms west of Dublin, or 11 miles in old money. There seems to be precious little traditional craftwork going on in the country generally, certainly on a commercial scale, and anyone who claims to be doing wrought iron (e.g. gates) tends to be using welders and grinders to do the work, and occasionally making (or buying) a few scrolls and baskets to give it that 'olde worlde' feeling. The big problem is that no-one would actually pay to have a pair of gates made in the traditional way, not here anyway. Having talked a few of these guys in the past, it seems some of them can do the blacksmithing work but it doesn't pay. I got most of my tools from a forge that was part of a woodworking/furniture factory up the road. They would have made and repaired all their woodworking tools themselves on site. But these days just about all our furniture is imported, so this factory along with nearly all the other manufacturing industries in our town closed down.
Cheers for now - will sign off - it's beginning to sound like a Bruce Springsteen song...!
Dec

Hi all and thanks for the welcomes. I'm using lumpwood charcoal which keeps you fit (dodging the sparks) but it seems to give a good heat for now, and I'm guessing doesn't give the same problem with clinker as coke or coal?
The hinges are finished and one day in the not too distant future I will look back and laugh but for now I'm a happy camper. Made a few nails too; it's amazing how many bits of metal in the workshop with holes in never realised that they were nail punches! I'll work out the images bit and post a few pics tomorrow. Thanks again.