Thanks,
overwhelmed that i got so many responses;
I forgot to mention that I use a Diamondback three burner LPG forge. I tried some of the suggestions, i have turned up the gas, leaned off the mix, blocked off one of the openings and increased the heat. I get so far and the gas bottle freezes up after about half an hour.
Tried the couple of taps and the brush,flux and back in to heat, seemed promising but broke along the join when i tried to flatten the bar.
I'm going to see if i can get a local smith to teach me.
Was also wondering which side of Magnetic north i should stand 30 degrees from, you guys were pretty specific with the sqinting and tongue bit. I would have thought that it would have to be different in each hemisphere? :) FNQ and WI