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Hi,
interesting idea, I could go bigger than that, I have big size taps available. I may just cut it off straight and us it as it is with a small home made Anvil like I describe in my reply to Bentiron1946.
Regards, Matt
I know that you are hot and bothered to weld it all up and such however it is really alright the way it is you know. Smooth out the area that were broken off so you don't damage yourself and have a good time forging on it as is. Now I have read a good many of the articles written here on IFI and if my mind ain't playing tricks on me it seems if "hard face" rods were the least favored of the rods for building up and anvil. I not all that interested in rereading all of the old posts on welding anvils but you may want to do that, I'm just a big fan of welding up old anvils. I feel this way about it, if you want an anvil that looks like new, well then go buy a new one. I understand the Turks make a pretty nice anvil at a fairly reasonable price. -
Hi,
I wouldn't describe myself as being "hot and bothered" to weld it up! My original project was to leave it as it is and build a small square and round horn anvil using RR track, but vertically with a stubby "T" with the two "horns on it along the lines of http://www.anvilfire.com/21centbs/anvils/making/RR-rail_anvils.php This would allow me to make what I couldn't without the points. Then I read the "Rob Gunther" article, and checked out the Castolin equivalents of the rods he uses I haven't got the same resources you have in the US!. I thought that I would give it a go! Now I'm coming back round to my original idea, but I still have to get some 7018 rods to weld the RR track. It could be use full to have a blunt ended anvil!
Regards, Matt
I know that you are hot and bothered to weld it all up and such however it is really alright the way it is you know. Smooth out the area that were broken off so you don't damage yourself and have a good time forging on it as is. Now I have read a good many of the articles written here on IFI and if my mind ain't playing tricks on me it seems if "hard face" rods were the least favored of the rods for building up and anvil. I not all that interested in rereading all of the old posts on welding anvils but you may want to do that, I'm just a big fan of welding up old anvils. I feel this way about it, if you want an anvil that looks like new, well then go buy a new one. I understand the Turks make a pretty nice anvil at a fairly reasonable price. -
In one of my books, the hardie is shown with the curved shank. I have only seen drawings and photos of this on early Franch anvils. I suppose one could carefully forge the shank while leaving a lump on top for the future hardie blade. You could drive the shank into the hole, hot, to curve it, and draw out the blade later.
Cast iron has a peculiar spark shower...nigh invisible carrier lines coming off the wheel, dark red color, with a very occasional, odd shaped burst at the end of one carrier line. This is quite different from wrought iron which has a brighter, more visible color and a fairly straight line shower, sometimes dashes on the end. You will get small, straight line sprigs off the carrier lines, but no bursting, as with mild steel and higher carbon steel bursting. Always check an unknown to a known.
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I'm sorry not to have replied sooner, I've been working away from home.
The Hardie is curved, coming out of the side. I don't think I'd risk driving it in to form it, the inside is quite rough and I wouldn't like to get it stuck. I don't think it will be too hard to forge the curve and taper.
I went back and had another look at my anvil and compared it with another that "rings" cast, I'm sure now that mine is wrought with a welded hard face. I'm waiting for the Castolin rep to show up to get some hard facing rods to repair the "horns".
Regards, Matthew -
are there any spark tests or something?
When looking into my Anvil, see thread precedent (Old French Anvil), I did a spark test, on the side of the horn, then, I realised that if it had a plate welded on the top, it would spark differently. What I had thought was a work created bulge spreading out around the whole of the upper face was in fact a steel plate. the top sparked differently from the side!
regards, Matthew -
look up Rob Gunther's method of anvil repair. Note that welding on real wrought iron can be quite tricky due to the slag entrained in it. Horns are usually pretty soft compared to faces.
Thanks for the pointer, I'm going to have to find an equivalent rod, as I can't find the same ones here. I'm seeing the Castolin rep soon and I've found the Eutectic equivalent.
It may be a while away, but I'll keep you posted!
Regards, Matthew -
Mattinker, I found another pic of my anvil, with writing on it. Story I was told when I bought it was this anvil was brought to the USA from France to Kenneth Lynches shop when they repaired the Statue of Liberty with the French shop that made it. They did not want to ship the anvil home with them. I have never got the writing translated (can't read French).
Rob
Rob,
Hulot and Harmel is the make, A in this context is "at", et is "and",so Sedan et Doncherry is where they were made in the French Ardennes. there are still foudries there, but non under the name
Hulot Harmel
25600 would appear to be the serial number.
There a few on ebay.fr at the moment! I'm sorry, I cant tell you more than that
A very nice looking anvil! Everything points towards the story as being true!
Regards, Matthew -
look up Rob Gunther's method of anvil repair. Note that welding on real wrought iron can be quite tricky due to the slag entrained in it. Horns are usually pretty soft compared to faces.
I'll lookit straight up!
Thanks, Matthew -
Being French does it say " I surrender" after each hammer blow?
I dont know, ask Lafayette!
Those horns look pretty massive. Rather than try to weld on, could you re-grind them to a better point? Or is this a major no-no?
I thought about that but they would be kinda stubby.
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Can you differentiate between a cast iron spark and a wrought iron spark? They can be quite close at times and I would believe a wrought iron body over a cast iron one for that anvil.
Thanks, I used a description that I found, I was struck by the difference in colour, the body sparks being much more red. If it's wrought, I should be able to weld it! How about 7018 rods?
Regards, Matthew -
That first pic looks like this one. Even the welding machine in the same spot. What other info do you have on your anvil? Are you in France? Mine is 400 lbs and has had a new tip welded on the round horn. That was done long before I owned it so I don't know what rod was used.
Rob
Hi,
Yes I live in France (although I am not French!). My Anvil is typically French in that like yours, it has no pritchle hole, no step and two "horns". I have a second, smaller one that has better "horns", but the shoulders are more damaged. Whilst thinking about your Anvil, I realised that my spark test was incomplete so I went back an tried the grinding the top and the side, I've answered my own question, a cast iron body wit a steel plate welded on top. As the body is cast by the spark, I won't be able to do much to it that I can see!
To be able to see your Anvil, I changed the colour"levels" I hope you don't mind! They are exactly the same shape!
Regards, Matthew -
Hi,
I've posted pictures of my old French Anvil, I broke my old weighing scales trying to weigh it. Rough calculations put it at about 115 Kgs. It rings well. I have started cleaning up the corners which were not broken, but slightly mushroomed. As you can see, both point are broken off, I'm afraid that if I weld new points on they will just break off!
I just did a spark test on the work formed ridge on the horn. Long orange sparks that explode at the end. Like cast but an exploding end
I would be grateful for your comments particularly on what it's made of and is it weld-able!
Regards, Matthew -
Thank you everyone,
now I need to get some practice! I would like to learn to forge weld not only for myself, but so that I can show my grandsons, they're only little for the moment, but I want them to see as much as they can. I'd love to be able to show them how to make a hammer from scrap!
Thanks again, Matthew -
In the alchemy department: mixing the shavings from turning brake drums---a type of cast iron--- with the saw filings could result in a High C total; but you really need to work out the chemical balance to get it right between the say 20 point mild steel and the 200 point cast iron...
Thank!
I found a bag full of roller blade bearings that I was given not too long ago! I'll be doing some more RR track cutting soon, so maybe that and the ball bearings could work out OK!
Thanks again, Matthew -
Hi everybody,
I need to understand about how to go about forge welding dissimilar steels. My long term project include hammer making. I have a lot of 40mm (1"1/2) square bar and some old leaf springs. I would like to weld hard faces to the hammers. How does one heat the carbon steel to welding heat without driving off the carbon? I could ark weld around the joint with 7018 rods and heat the mild end so that the welding heat arrives from the mild steel, but I need to understand how it would be done traditionally to learn the process!
Regards, Matthew -
Nothing wrong with a spatula if that is the intended result. You can also use this material for decorative items like insect wings and blade furniture.
You could add some carbon bearing material to the can (charcoal dust?) mixed with the mild shavings, but that is getting into alchemy. The results would take some experimentation.
Phil
I'm a little slow on the uptake, I'm only just started thinking about all this recently, I'm kicking myself as I cut quite a lot of pieces of RR track not long ago, I should have kept the fillings apart! I'm too new to start Alchemy, I need get some experience first!
My "If it doesn't hold an edge it's a spatula" is about getting people to understand their kitchen knives aren't knives! It's a good definition!
edge9001 "Any knife will hold me, if the person wielding it looks like they know what they are doing...lol"
I've never had anybody "weilding kinves, spatules or any such like around me, so I wouldn't know how I'd react, I hope it doesn't happen to you LOL!
Regards, Matthew -
Ive actually done what your talking about it and it worked quite well... I have also filled a box with copper rods and bandsaw shavings to make iron/copper mokume... with that one you have to be very carful to build a real sturdy box and not hammer to hard when its really hot... it sucks when the box breaks and molten copper comes out in a pressure jet!
Great to know, but, it makes me want to try mokume! As if I didn't have enough to do!
Regards, Matthew -
Lots of mild + a small amount of medium or high carbon = mild steel.
It will look pretty cool, just don't expect to be able to harden it.
Phil
So, the ideal chain is thin bicycle or chainsaw chain! Less air spaces. Motorcycle chains have big air spaces. My motor-bike has shaft drive! So no chains even if they were good! The addition of small ball bearings could be good. I want my cake and eat it! A knife that won't hold an edge is a spatula!
I have never done any forge welding, the thing I don't understand is you how get to welding heat without driving out the carbon content, thus ruining the steel.
Thank you for your comment, it'll take time to get to actually doing the job, I'm particularly over worked at the moment! I'll have time to collect lots of filings!
Regards, Matthew -
I earn my living in part making steel structures for television and film. I have a small metal cutting band-saw, the filings from the mild steel I cut with it seem to mee to be a good "additive" for bearings or bicycle chain Damascus steel. Recent reading has lead me to believe that surface rust shouldn't be a problem for forge forge welding. I was thinking of Mig or stick welding closed a box full of filings and bicycle chains bringing it up to welding heat and hammering it to turn it into a billet. Your thoughts would be much appreciated.
Regards, Matthew
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Hi,
for the moment, I'm not in a position to be able to reforge the anvil, I would be reluctant to have to heat treat it! I am tending towards the cut it off square and use it as it is solution!
Regards, Matthew