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  1. I'm assuming your talking about an endmill (looks like a short stubby flatbottomed drill bit ?). Might work through mild steel. Keep your speed up and throw something for coolant on there, WD40 would work just fine. If you find that doesn't work a couple other ideas;

    Use your lathe as a mill. Throw your endmill in the chuck of the lathe and clamp your work piece to your tool holder, use shims to get it to the right height. Lock or clamp your carriage down and slowly feed with your cross slide, might have to clamp, cut, unclamp, move ahead, clamp a few times, but oughta work, use coolant again.

    Do you have a table saw ? If its just mild steel you could try using a carbide tipped saw blade and by taking really light cuts chew out the groove with that, no personal experience with it but I've heard of it working for guys before. If you can change the speed of the saw slow it down as much as possible and for goodness sake be careful...

    oh wow I like the table saw idea! My dad has one with veriable speeds and the same cutting disks as my angle grinder just bigger. Wish I'da thought of that! THANX!!! That'll work perfect! I'll have to build a clamp with a big handle to hold the piece so I keep all my parts connected to me, though!lol Thanx again!

  2. Yikes ! As BGD said drills and even mill drills are not really meant for any kind of real milling. Solid Carbide is great but even for the smallest endmills you have to have the machine to run them. Without a decently rigid machine and a collet to hold them I would be very worried you will just chip/shatter anything made out of solid carbide, you just can't get away with holding them in a drill chuck. Proper annealing of the work piece, proper speeds and feeds, as much rigidity as you can get, and flood coolant will go a long way to letting you use HSS on previously hardened material. For you this might mean using a smaller endmill than the slot your trying to make and chewing both sides out, locking your machine up as much as possible, even clamping with c-clamps on those smaller machines will help, and having an old windex bottle filled with coolant and spraying coolant by hand, I'm guessing it doesn't have coolant on it, and using a brazing tip on a oxy torch to do a little local annealing on your work piece. All that said just give anything you can a try. If you can find solid carbide endmills that you can afford to break you might just pleasantly prove me wrong.

    Drq

    that's what I worry about is getting nice bits and destroying them with my lesser tools! I go through lots of coolant already so I've recently put a bucket with a spout and filter under my drill press to recycle it. I rarely do anything to hardened metals, normally just the blade if I deside to do something decorative after the knife's finished. I usually use weldable steel rod or rolled steel rod from lowe's for the handles and harden them a bit after I do all the cutting and drilling. I normally drill holes the length of the bar to the depth I want and use a dremel or angle grinder to turn the holes into a groove and go back, with the same size drill bit as the thickness of the blade, and try to even it out. There's gotta be a quicker, easier, and more accurate way! lol thanx

  3. I used to play with two that had rather dull blades so I would not hurt myself. I had been playing on and off with the notion of trying my hand at making one, but hesitating because of the pivot points. The various knifes that I have tried had sloppy pivot points and have not figured out how to make the pivot points properly.

    the pins are the easy part! it's the same as rivetting anything else, 1/16" to 1/8" brass or soft steel rod or cheap broken drill bits is what I use. Getting everything to line up is the fun part! You should try it, it's suprisingly easier than you'd think, and it normally turns out better than store bought one!

  4. Get on MSC's mailing list, as they have monthly discounted items with milling cutters being a common item. Enco, J&L do the same so get on their lists too. When it comes to cutters, I will give the same advice as I do for drills, and taps. Buy the best that you can afford. CHEAP, not inexpensive, but cheap quality cost you in low performance, breakage, and poorer finishes. Get good tooling, and then take care of it. Learn your speeds, and feeds, and know what to look for in chip coloring.

    HSS cutters will do a lot of work for you, but if you work with tough, or hard materials you may want to invest in a couple of solid carbide cutters as well. They can be a lifesaver at times. I have gotten spoiled at work because we use carbide tooling exclusively. I have found that cutters made in the USA, Europe, and Japan do well. Pass if it is made in China, Korea, India, Pakistan, as it is hit or miss in regards to quality. I wouldn't get too hung up on coatings like TiN for what you are doing. I used plain HSS cutters in my shop, and they worked fine for what we did.

    My main concern is the fact that you want to do milling in a drill press. Adding a good vise does not make it a mill. Drills are designed to drill holes-vertical loading, not milling-side loading. Drill chucks do not grip endmills well, nor do the spindles run true enough most of the time giving poor results. I have seen several bench model mills on Craigslist for decent prices. The right tool will make life easier, and the end product better.

    thanx that's very helpful! my drill press mill (a term that I know just sounds stupid) is all I can aford right now so I've just gotta deal with it and do a lota cussing until I can upgrade. lol Carbide cutters it is cause I use hard and/or hardened metals for everything. Thanx again!

  5. Used with a pulling motion like a drawknife. Commonly discussed on knifemaker forums.

    Now, if you had access to a milling machine, a keyway cutter would work.

    well I've got a drill press with a milling vice. I normally drill holes to the depth I want and use the drill bit like a side cutting bit but the groove always ends up crooked or curvy and my bit almost always breaks. in a week or so I'm going to get some keyway cutters, hopefully they don't break! I'm trying to cut a groove 1/8in wide, about 3/4 the way through a 1/2 inch bar, will keyway bits tolerat that if I take it slow?
  6. anybody know a place either online or in WV to get good quality milling bits that won't break the bank? Harbor freight bits are junk and my local Lowe's and Homedepot don't have any at all. I've upgraded my drill press with a pressicion vise and I have a 7"x10" mini lathe and I've had 72 hours worth of machine shop classes and I'm using that to start a small part time knife business for fun, mostly so my hobby can pay for itself. Any suggestions are GREATLY apriciated!


  7. Build a clamping block for the cross slide of the lathe and put a saw in the lathe. Alternately, if you have a quick change tool post, clam the material in the tool holder and chuck up an end mill.

    I guess I should have asked what size is the lathe? A lathe is a mill if you look at it sideways.:blink:

    Phil

    well I just tried both ways. my lathe doesn't have enough power to be a mill, it keeps blowing fuses. sigh 2)it doesn't have any way to keep the chuck still while using a saw blade in the tool post. double sigh. so I got my sawsall out and put a new metal bit in it and tried that....well that's just scary but straighter than an angle grinder! lol Any other suggestions?
  8. ok so I've made 2 balisongs (butterfly knives) so far, which are much better than store bought I've been told, but I never can cut the grove in the handles as even and straight as I like. I only have basic tools like a pessicion mini lathe, pessicion drill press, angle grinder, and a dremel to work with. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can get a straight, even, and centered groove in a 1/2" steel bar? thanx

  9. ok so I've made 2 balisongs (butterfly knives) so far, which are much better than store bought I've been told, but I never can cut the grove in the handles as even and straight as I like. I only have basic tools like a pessicion mini lathe, pessicion drill press, angle grinder, and a dremel to work with. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can get a straight, even, and centered groove in a 1/2" steel bar? thanx


  10. any body here make,sell, play with butterfly knives out there?

    yes, all of the above! I just started tho. My 1st one was made from a RR spike I cut in half long ways, a saw blade, and broken drill bits for rivets. The 2nd is made from a steel dumbell bar that I turned on my presicion lathe from 1" to 1/2", lawnmower blade, and broken drill bits for pins. Now I buy 1/2"-3/4" steel rods and put a 1 degree taper them, decorate them and I use lawnmower blades or tool steel for the blades and left over rod for pins. I'm 26 now ad I've been making knives of all kinds sence I was 9 or 10, yet I've never had a forge so I just grind away and use propane to temper them.
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