I've just missed commenting on a discussion that has been closed a second time, and can't help but agree that it was probably the best course, but it brings up a recurring problem; and that is perhaps a need for the discussion on burner design as a general topic. I haven't seen any other topic that gets heated any where near this fast in the Gas Forges section.  I don't no why egos get so quickly bruised on this subject; there are lots of other details that can ruin a forge build; perhaps i