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Champion blower assistance

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Hi all, 

I'm a newbie and just got my first solid fuel forge and hand crank blower.  It's a champion (don't know the model) and the blower is in need of some TLC.  It's coming along nicely however the fan has a lot of play and hits the housing to the point where it won't spin in one direction.  Once the housing is removed, things seem to move fine.  Gears look to be in good shape and the fan doesn't seem to have any damage.  The challenge at this point is, I can't seem to get the fan off the shaft or to reduce the play to keep in from hitting the fan housing.  I've loosened/removed the set screw on the fan but it doesn't seem to want to come free and tightening it does not make any difference.  Wondering if anyone is familiar with this model and how I might go about correcting the issue.  

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I believe you have a Champion 140 blower. Have you tried adjusting the end play of the shaft?

BTW... welcome aboard, have you read the Read This First thread at the top of the page? It will help you get the best out of the forum like how to do the most effective search.

Here is but one thread about them.

https://www.iforgeiron.com/topic/60037-identification-of-champion-blower/

 

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When you say your tried to remove it: how many weeks have you been soaking it in penetrating oil and how large a pulley puller are you using?

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I haven't resorted to any type of force yet, including a pully puller.  Wasn't sure exactly how it was attached or if the set screw was the only mechanical connection.  It's been marinating in WD 40 for a couple of days now so hopefully that is making a difference. 

As to why remove it?  Some of the blades are bent/twisted and I think it would be easier to correct them if I could get the fan off the shaft.  

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WD40 is not a very good penetrating oil. A better one would be Kroil depending on where in the world you are located most auto parts stores will have it. Another easy mixture is a 50/50 mix of Dexron ATF and acetone. Both will penetrate much better if you are bound and determined to take the fan off, which I don't recommend.

The fan is just stamped sheet metal with the blades twisted and it's easy and better to align the blades while on the shaft. That way you can gauge how close they are to the main housing. If they need twisting a small pair of channel locks will do it and if they are just bent out light taps with a small hammer will set them back. If they are bent back you can just pry them out with a screw driver against the housing. How much end play does the shaft have. The adjuster screw & nut control's the end play. If you rotate the handle clockwise the gear will pull the fan back to the main housing, a counter clockwise rotation pushes the shaft and fan to the outer housing. If you back the adjusting screw off, you can push the fan back and forth. With the adjuster backed off the fan blades should clear the main housing by about a quarter inch. I set mine with about a sixteenth of an inch end play.

From your pictures it's hard to tell which way they need to be adjusted.

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I have seen probably half a dozen anecdotal studies by folks that have found the 50/50 ATF and acetone mix beats any commercial penetrating solvent; PB Blaster, Kroil, WD-40, Liquid Wrench, etc.  There is a youtube guy, channel name is "Project Farm" who did a really in-depth test of penetrants.  His tests showed that Liquid Wrench came in first with the ATF/acetone second.  I would put the link here, but I don't know if the TOS would allow it.

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Actually there have been  multiple  well designed experiments that were run showing that the 50/50 was best; I remember reading the reports on them.  It was decades ago and so may be "buried" on the net. I don't know if more recent formulations are better these days; (I would hope that they were!); but the anecdotal reports were based on experimental data at one time.

I remember discussion on it in rec.crafts.metalworking back in the early 1990's.

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