JHCC Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 A while back, a friend gave me a bunch of FAIR railroad track anchors (the ones shaped like a big "J" with a T-shaped cross-section), a couple of which I've used to make bottom tooling. I had an idea for converting one of them into a spring fuller, so here goes. 1. Mark out the material to be removed: 2. Cut off excess and grind smooth: 3. Straighten the center section (I hooked the curved end over a fuller and used a big bending wrench for the initial opening, and then finished up the straightening with The Beast): 4. The curved end came out kind of wonky, so I flattened it using the vise and a ten-pound sledgehammer: 5. This left an oddly shaped protrusion, which I reshaped by hammering down the top point and peening out the thickness: 6. The interior corner was still angled inwards, so I cut this off and filed out the corner to prevent a cold shut from forming: (In retrospect, I could have hammered this bit back into the fuller and kept a greater mass of metal, but oh, well.) 7. Then the fun begins: drawing out the center section on The Pressciousss: 8. Drawing out the center section took the length between the fullers from five inches to twenty: (The original cross section was 1/2" x 1"; the finished is about 1/4" x 1/2". This is a nice proof-of-concept of basic drawing-out theory: the length of a workpiece varies inversely with its cross-section -- in this case, quartering the cross section quadrupled the length.) 9. The little nub on one end needed to get hammered down: 10. Some hot-filing on the fullers. 11. Heat the center and bend into a U shape. I had to reheat and tweak the shape a bit, and then allowed it to cool in still air to normalize. 12. And we're good to go! I haven't had a chance to test it yet, but I will post once I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Ok, so I was right.. You are a machine.. that is a tool made out of " I am angry as heck and need to hammer something".. LOL.. Nice work.. I love seeing what you are doing because you are not afraid of serious work. I think that mental prowess is a true gift. Nice Job John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 The heavy drawing-out was all on The Pressciousss; there was really very little hand hammering involved. Now, the bending fork I made from a unit V rail anchor -- that took some serious hammering! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 John; after seeing that I just have to smile and nod and back away slowly.... What did you do the cutting with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 Cutting disc in a 4-1/2” angle grinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 How many discs? (grin) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 One! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I am guessing that is one of each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I have been using some diamond coated disks that are dual use. Grinding and cutting so far I am pretty impressed. they can be used on pretty much any material and so far the lifespan has been good. they cut pretty fast.. And for grinding as a long as not much pressure is applied they seem to leave an okay surface finish.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 It occurs to me that I could use this same method to forge an anchor into a pair of single-ended top tools. More to come.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rojo Pedro Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Super cool. Are those medium carbon and is it very springy? Cant wait to see the results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 FAIR anchors are usually 5160 spring steel or similar. It is very springy indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Thats interesting.. I must have gotten a few bad ones back 30 years ago.. Bad enough that the steel didn't harden no matter what I did to it. I just thought they were mild steel and I figured it was the T shape that did the work. I'm going to have to look into this now. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 I can do a test-harden on one of the offcuts, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 They might have changed them.. Or the ones I tried were from a low speed rail. If you don't mind to much.. that profile could make a neat bayonet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnut Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I haven't looked in a while but iirc they're a maximum of sixty points of carbon. I haven't checked the AREMA specs in a while though. Pnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 The AREMA standards for anchors are all about performance under load, but don't include specs for material. Given the variety of designs out there (unlike the standardization of rail spikes, for example), that's not particularly surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goods Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I have a substantial quantity of railroad scrap from the crew who was working by my house and spent sometime researching it. It tough stuff! I’ve made most of my hand held punches and chisels from the “unit V” style but have done anything with the FAIR type yet. Below it what I found for the anchor material (at least from one manufacturer). Mostly the 60Si2MnA, but didn’t copy the whole page. Enjoy, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, Goods said: I’ve made most of my hand held punches and chisels from the “unit V” style but have done anything with the FAIR type yet. Here’s another option for converting one into both top and bottom tools: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Goods (David). next time link it.. There might be info that others find interesting or important vs just the basics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goods Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) Here is the page that I copied: [Commercial link removed per TOS] First time posting a link, and this phone doesn’t always agree with me. Hopefully, it works. Also, just noticed this is a Chinese manufacturer, so may not be representative of scrap from old rail line repair/upgrade. Hopefully still useful, David Edited April 22, 2020 by Mod34 Commercial link removed per TOS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 The AREMA standards for track and track fasteners are available online. I can't link directly to them (as they are on a commercial site), but if you google "AREMA railroad track standards" (without quotation marks), you can find the link fairly easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheechWizard Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 (edited) [Commercial link removed per TOS] found this pdf from a company that says they use spring steel or equivelent for anchors for whatever thats worth Edited April 23, 2020 by Mod34 Commercial link removed per TOS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywood71 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) Nice work, now I know what to do with the anchor I've got, thank for an idea. Edited August 21, 2020 by Mod34 Excessive quoting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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