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Flame questions?? Having a hard time determining what a proper flame is.


Matt Watson

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I had my initial gas pressure too high and now I have a needle valve at the front of the line to reduce the pressure and its probably opened 1/3 -1/2 of the way open. My pressure guage should be here Monday. Then I have a second one at the burner to control the flame at the lowest burn without back burn its barely opened and then a full on burn its probably halfway open. I know I saw somewhere that when your forge gets to temperature the flame disappears which is what mine is doing but I also noticed a greenish flame coming out of the front when I turn it down to work on a hot piece ( I only see the green if the forge is hot not when I first light it on idle like in the bottom video). The burner is a Reil design with a .025 mig tip orifice. Flare is a k26 soft brick filed in a cone shape so the mixing pipe sits snug in the top about an inch. I'm going to be making a new burner and forge soon but my main question and reason for posting this is to find out if this is the right color of blue. I know really hot burn its supposed to be light blue with a kinda white center but that's almost too hot of a burn. And just the dark blue is a little too cold. I am trying to adjust to make this as fuel efficient as possible. Hence why I'm building a new forge that will have 2" kaowool with 2" HTC 100 on top of it hopefully that way it has more than enough insulation.
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Sorry about the videos Frosty next time I'll do pictures instead. Mikey is choking it a bad thing? And as far as good enough does that mean as far as air and fuel mixtures go I'm where I need to be but if I wanted a better flame it would have to be adjustment with the orifice placement and / or containment flame cone?

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It is only bad when the burner doesn't need it; most burners don't need choking most of the time. Naturally aspirated burners are self adjusting to a large extent, so that increasing the gas flow automatically increases the induced air to keep pace. Well designed burners are only choked to achieve special goals, as when ensuring a lack of scale while welding. The rest of the time a choke is only used upon shutdown, to prevent chimney effects from overheating burner parts. If a burner actually needs choking during normal operation it probably should have a larger gas orifice; and no, yours doesn't. Your burner flame is ever so slightly reducing; the very flame that most blacksmiths prefer.

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