DanielC Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 This was Larry's 4b that had trouble half stroking without a blow off valve. I plan to have Mark Krause fix it one of these years. I initially had more immediate plans for this, but life changes. Right now it will be stored and tweaked in my family shop until i pour a foundation for it at mine. In the mean time, its hard to not appreciate such an imposing figure. Also it is crazy to think that in 2012, i joined this site and this world, and 5 years later i own a Nazel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Oooooh! Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 you lucky dog! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielC Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 This machine travelled from Seattle Washington to Salisbury, NC lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergely Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I saw this hammer on the FB Power hammer page, didn't I? I liked it very much then, but I must tell you, I like it even better when I see it here in the family Great, great hammer! good luck with it. Wanna tell us what do you plan to use it for? I'm guessing not for "the lucky horseshoe" making... Bests: Gergely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielC Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 Pattern weld, working full bloomery, tool making. I really wanted a high ceiling in capacity, and this Nazel popped up at a weird crossroads in my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverNZ Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 HMMMMM Nice Looking foward to seeing it running and registering on the reichter scale Congrats Cheers Beaver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergely Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Yum! High ceiling it is! And what Beaver said. Bests: Gergely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salem Straub Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Awesome! Congratulations! May it serve you well, and sooner than you hope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielC Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 Take note anyone moving a machine this big. Our shop ceilings are 20-26ft high. When that truck with crane was moving the hammer and lifting over a 3' anvil, we still had limited clearance. Infact, the crne had room to lift it over the anvil and not much more. If you happen to get a 4b, you will also find out that United Rental especially in rural areas will have a hard time renting you a 12,000# capacity forklift. They told me they would have to truck one in a few hours away and the cost was going tk be nuts. Not only that but they could not coordinate with their truck driver with my delivery driver, so i would have to rent it for extra time i wasnt using it. And this is a united rental we have been doing business with for over a decade. The forklift rental was going to cost well over $1,000. My local wrecker has a $1 million 75ton crane truck thats used to lift tractor trailers out of revines, and did this for me, over the course of 2 hours for $400. Of course we do a bit of business with them, but it was well worth it. Still, it was sketchy knowing if we were even going to be able to lift it over the anvil or not. When i take this home, im pouring foundation first, setting hammer, then building new shop around it. Then truck crane driver was also not new to moving big machinery with it. He showed me a picture he took earlier that day moving a 55,000# Trane A/C unit for a hospital, so my hammer was a toy, lol. 4b frame = 12,000# 4b anvil = 7,000# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Yowza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusb Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Glad to see the hammer moved. Could you describe the half stroking ? Did you weigh the anvil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaverNZ Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 I had simillar problems when shifting my massy from where I brought it, we had to lift it with the crane hook off centre on one side so it leaned over one way and had to use the "Flex" or spring in the roof for the last little bit of clearance. Then when it came time for install at my place using a Manitou mobile tele handler we had only 20mm or 3/4" clearance Cheers Beaver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielC Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 Cleaning up, hoisting ram up to move out of way to set sowblock and die. View underneath compressor, oiling system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salem Straub Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Awww yeah! Keep 'em coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Sawicki Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 I want one. Also when you get it running we need vids of it smashing steel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielC Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 I most certainly will. Once it is set and operating i will shoot some vids working 15-20# steel blooms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 You running a bloomery? What are you using for ore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielC Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 Of course. I regularly experiment running a bloomery with Mark Green. Www.youtube.com/danielcauble We run various ore. A very rich in Fe and all of ghe right minerals, limonite we re-scavange/dig from the original ore pile under dirt and trees at a civil war finery furnace. We have a magnetite field we have mined from, but it is much more labor intensive, and now that we have access to a clean magnetite pile in upstate New York, we dont mine it any more. We recently acquired about 400-500# of specular hematite from our good friend and swordsmith Jesvs. This stuff is in the high 90 percentile Fe. A lot of guys from parts of europe send us a smelts worth of ore from time to time to run and test out for them, and provide data. We produce several hundred pounds of bloomery a year. In the coming years Mark is going to retire and run smelting classes. I hope by then this hammer and the new shop will be ready, and we can do a few at my place, and pull bloom straight from bloomery to this huge Nazel dies, and light taps. Talking to all of my euro buds, bloomery is suitable under the hammer, you just need big dies, and these are huge. I have worked over 100 pounds of orishigane in 1-3 poind increments exclusively under my small 50# mechanical, along with many bloom quarters (4-5#) with great success. Its all in knowing how hard to hit, where to hit and when to hit that comes with practice. We make so much that i no longer treat it like gold, and give myself a chance to push it to the limits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salem Straub Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 How big are the surfaces on those dies? I have flat die faces of 4x11" on my big hammer... would love to throw some bloom between them some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielC Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 I'll have to measure. Not quite that long. From memory i think the bottom die is 10" long, and maybe 5" wide. The top die is just about the same. I'll measure later this afternoon. Your 300# would work an entire bloom gloriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielC Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 Took this video the day it arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielC Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 Bottom die. The top die is also 5.5" wide, but 9" long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salem Straub Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Fatties! Nice amount of wide surface area there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielC Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 Indeed. It will be a monster for tooling. Larry gave me the tool holder that wraps around the die for it. Since it will be sitting for awhile, i really want to fabricate some quick changing kiss blocks like Phil uses under his 5cwt Massey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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