utaholdiron Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 I suspect this hardy tool is used for bending hot metal but I'm not sure. Any information on it would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccustomknives Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 It could be used for that but I suspect it wasn't for bending. If I were guessing it looks like a tool for squaring shoulders on something (buggy spring?) due to the square pins. If they were round I'd think they were for bending. But what do I know, I just make ugly knives. :rolleyes: With all the experience here I'm sure somebody can clarify it. <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utaholdiron Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 Yes, those square posts have me scratching my head as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Dave Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 I'd use it to make very large collars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaughnT Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 The square posts are more than likely for alignment of the piece going into the form. Using them as anvils to actually square up a shoulder would be rather inefficient, imo. It could also be a preform for something that wasn't completed. It's got a wonderful patina, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles R. Stevens Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 I see a bevel on the leading edge. Still have no ideal what its for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 In the electrical field, we have a tool that has a lower section like this one. For the electricape pipe, it is round but the idea of the electrical tool is to bend conduit to a preset shape/distance, to make an offset. Because the pipe is hollow, the bottom has a matching top piece to keep the pipe from colapsing. Taking that idea forward: I can see this working the same way. A flat bar, is placed betwen the 2 square posts, and laying outward along that ramp, is hammered to match the contour of the tool. in this case a hardey held swage, to make the offsets, being solid it wont need the top piece like my pipe does. no matter what it was for, it could be used this way... Next idea anyone ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Coke Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Greetings Utah, Got to go with Dave on this one... Collars... No hammer marks on the tool... Forge on and make beautiful things Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utaholdiron Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 Jim Coke and Socal Dave, I'm not familiar with the making of collars or even what they are. Could you walk me through it? I do appreciate your input. AlanSteve Sells, an interesting idea, and it certainly would work for making offsets. Thanks, Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windancer Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 These whatzit posts are some of my favorites on the forum. I've never made a useful guess and this time I just gonna skip it :) Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notownkid Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Only the guy who made it knows for sure. Jig for something he was going to make a lot of, nice craftsmanship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divermike Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Collaring- a traditional means of joinery, essentially wrapping a band of metal around 2 pieces or more, to form a hold, and a fine way of decoration I may add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Trez Cole Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 it could be for holding a piece of metal square so when you hammer you get a specific angle bend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 it could be for holding a piece of metal square so when you hammer you get a specific angle bend. I had just said that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Trez Cole Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 steve should have read your whole post LOL ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Coke Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Greetings again Utah, If you search in the tool department under collar tools you will see some similar tools and how to use them .. Somewhere I saw a video of Brian B using the same tool... Good luck Forge on and make beautiful things Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJordan Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 could it be used to lap weld wagon wheels, the blocks to hold it aligned and the angle to hold it off the anvil until your ready to strike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromgor Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Third hand for holding tongs. Squeeze the handles tight, slip them in between the ears and free up your other hand for whatever it is you need. Since we're throwing out ideas I figured I might as well ad that one. It doesn't matter what it was designed to do. It matters what you're going to do with it. It could have been a jig used to ensure the tang on a large series of knives were all consistent for mass handle production. It could be used to hold square and/or flat stock in place. It's tapered shape might have been a shape needed for a small part that needed to be consistent over many pieces. Whatever it is, I'd use it however I could every time I could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 could it be used to lap weld wagon wheels, the blocks to hold it aligned and the angle to hold it off the anvil until your ready to strike. that makes a lot of sense also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans138 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I like the wagon wheel idea. I can realy picture it in a vise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
utaholdiron Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 http://books.google.com/books?id=_BtbAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA374&lpg=PA374&dq=matching+top+and+bottom+swage&source=bl&ots=mtyVnP_M42&sig=S599PD6RSpiq9tyQRTeC2ejw6aE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GZuKUvmYHcPt2QXe-4GQBg&ved=0CFMQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=matching%20top%20and%20bottom%20swage&f=false Refer to page 373, figure 3. it's picture "e" . It's gives a pretty good explanation of how the hardy tool is used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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