Ridgewayforge Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 This might be a silly question, or it might be one of interest. I am wondering why Hardy holes do not seem to be made under 3/4" square. Is it merely becuase tooling of any smaller shank would not stand up to the stress of daily hammering? If that is the case, then why not make a smaller (i.e. 1/2" square) hole for offset tooling or for light duty hardies? I suppose I am just trying to understand how and why the standard became the standard. Thank you! Ridgeway Forge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLMartin Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 If you find some very old anvils in Europe you can see hardy holes that small, but I have never seen one so small on a more modern anvil. I believe its just as you said in your post, To light for most work. Most anvils in america are large enough that such a small hole would just be silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Coke Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Greetings Ridgeway, I think the main reason hardy holes were made 3/4 and bigger is that many of the tools used had side stress bricks tapers ect... Another is many farriers use the hardy hole for turning a shoe... As you know we all use it for small bends and straighting... My biggest question is how did it get its name... Must have been Mr. Hardy... I teach my students that blacksmiths tool names are usually the function... Flatters , fullers , hot cut, punch.. ect. ect. I still think its Mr. Hardy.. Go figure... Carry on and have fun.. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 The hardie hole was sized to the anvil. http://www.iforgeiron.com/topic/18789-hay-budden-anvil-catalogue-from-191415/?hl=%2Bbudden+%2Bcatalogue As you can see very small anvils had small hardie holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale M. Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Ok... that fine for Hardy's.... What about the Pritchel hole, where it's origins...... Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Its spelled hardie by the way. The prichel is a hole for punching holes. A farrier uses a tool called pritchel or pritchel punch to make the nail holes in their shoes. They started showing up in anvils @1820 according to the book "Anvils in America". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalmangeler Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Weren't hardies called that as they were often made of hard steel rather than just iron? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevan Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Weren't hardies called that as they were often made of hard steel rather than just iron? The "Free Dictionary" by Farlex would support your supposition that the hardy hole is so called because it is "hard" steel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I've seen a lot of hardy holes smaller than 3/4" and even have a hardy with a tiny shaft on it (may have been used in conjunction with a vise)---I'll have to measure it to see if it's 3/8 or smaller. I run into difficulties the other way; I have 3 anvils that take 1.5" hardy tooling. I've started buying top tools and forging the striking ends (and hammer eyes) down to fit the hardy holes. As I believe the term predates the standardization of spelling and there is great local variation I would not be too pedantic on hardie vs hardy. Have to check and see what Moxon used if he used the term... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 One advantge of the spelling hardie is you know they are talking about a blacksmiths tool and not something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philip in china Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I once heard that "Hardie" came from "hard edge" but I have never seen any evidence that that is any more than a guess. I have an anvil with a very small hardie hole. If you are going to do some really heavy bending or anything of the sort I suppose the hardie stalk could shear but even at 1/2" that would take a lot on torque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale M. Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 One advantge of the spelling hardie is you know they are talking about a blacksmiths tool and not something else. Not to the uninitiated..... Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevan Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Not to the uninitiated.....Dale Indeed, particularly if your name was Laurel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Roy Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 everybody nose blacksmiths can't spell anywae. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewayforge Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share Posted March 25, 2013 Keeping these things in mind, would it beneficial to make a hardy bolster plate with perhaps the sizes of 1/2" and 5/8" square on them? That way there is a greater number of small hardies that can be made for say a classroom setting where the largest stock being used on them will be 3/8"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philip in china Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I measured my smallest hardie hole. It is 20mm square. My 3 anvils all have radically different sizes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombreen425 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 On 17 March 2013 at 0:32 AM, Jim Coke said: Greetings Ridgeway, I think the main reason hardy holes were made 3/4 and bigger is that many of the tools used had side stress bricks tapers ect... Another is many farriers use the hardy hole for turning a shoe... As you know we all use it for small bends and straighting... My biggest question is how did it get its name... Must have been Mr. Hardy... I teach my students that blacksmiths tool names are usually the function... Flatters , fullers , hot cut, punch.. ect. ect. I still think its Mr. Hardy.. Go figure... Carry on and have fun.. Jim I think it's because of the chisel like tool they were originally used to hold which was called a hardie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Ling Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 My thought on smaller hardie holes would be that like when making a hot cut, you would start with about 1 1/4" (-+), and with a smaller hardie you would have to draw it down more, and upset it more than if you were to start with larger stock. Littleblacksmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.