sidesaddle queen Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 thank you!! no, the vise grip is holding the the metal where is one more part goes... it needs welding that i can't do to finish it,, so i am waiting on a welder friend ... lol!! frustrating... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anvil Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Very Nice! Just a note, if you use a small ox/acetl torch and hold it parallel to your wood, you can heat only the rivit without scorching your woodwork. even the straps wont get hot. A cold rivit may be good enough, but a hot rivit is a better rivit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidesaddle queen Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 not going to use heat on these old saddles, i have seen many ruined,, my cold rivets are fine ..lol!! i do need a torch though.. it is on my my wish list.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Why not just heat the end of a heavy piece of steel and apply the tapered end to the rivet. Heat transfer should warm the rivet nicely. Think old time soldering irons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidesaddle queen Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 i will try some of your methods on my stuff ..lol!!.. but not on client saddles,, i hope to develop my skills using heat this summer i am getting a lot of useful imput here.. glad i joined.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 And I've learned more about sidesaddles than I thought there was to know! Glad you joined too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Make test pieces to test the various techniques rather than risk ANY saddle. Were it me I'd use a torch to spot heat the end of a rivet rather than a heated punch as suggested. A small tip torch will bring the end of the rivet to heat in a second or two minimizing how much will conduct into section of rivet in the pieces being joined. A hot punch must transfer heat to the rivet through contact conduction giving much more time for it to heat through the rivet shank. I'm glad you joined the gang, I didn't know ANYTHING about sidesaddles till you showed up. Talking horses and riding brings back fond memories. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 It could also be an interesting experiment to try some kind of thin heat-resistant shield. For example, a square of thin titanium (which conducts heat rather slowly) with a hole in the middle could be slipped over the rivet end, the rivet heated with a sideways-pointing torch, the shield removed, and the rivet hammered down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Stainless is a rather poor conductor of heat but the time spent removing a heat shield is time heat can conduct into the shank. Peining it down will spread the HOT section over a large area of cold steel and disperse the heat quickly. I'm not saying it won't work, I don't know. The times I've used a heat shield in a similar situation, usually sweating nuts trying to break them loose I slotted the heat shield material so I could just let go and it dropped off. It's a valid technique I just don't know how well it'd compare to moving FAST with the torch and hammer. Give it a try John, you have some small tips for your torch don't you? Try a #2 or smaller brazing tip on the last 1/16" of a rivet. You only have to heat just the tip. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anvil Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Holding the small tip parallel to the rivit shaft (parallel to the wood) is pretty critical. Start at the base and a quick wrist flip up to the tip and the shsft is beyond a yellow. The shaft is too small so the strap acts like a heat sink and still protects the wood. Learned by experience doing sign brackets out of wood, iron and stained glass. I can prolly dig up a pic. The wood guys wanted no char and the stained glass wanted no melt or cracks. If I screwed up,,, I bought the sign bracket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, anvil said: Holding the small tip parallel to the rivit shaft (parallel to the wood) is pretty critical. anvil, did you mean perpendicular to the rivet shaft and parallel to the wood? The shaft and the wood are perpendicular to each other, so the flame can’t be parallel to both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anvil Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Thanks for catching that. The flame should be perpendicular to the rivet shaft and parallel to the wood/bracket. Don't point the flame tip down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Thanks for clarifying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidesaddle queen Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 rivets done, saddle going together.. lol!! i thought you might like to see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anvil Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Looks good! Hope to see a pic when it's finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Please keep us in the loop as you put it together. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidesaddle queen Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 i will not finish this one out.. i just repaired the tree and am putting seat in .. she wants to see if she can rebuild it,, herself.. i will start a page when i work on one my trees.. it is mine.. lol! so i can so the finished saddle.. i will have to do some forged work on it,, she will send me photos ..if she gets it done,, lol!! i will keep y'all in the loop .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 I should hope you keep us in on your next sidesaddle. You're one of the gang now, no running off and leaving us in sidesaddle ignorance. If you want ideas for what to forge for the next one, give a shout the voices have ideas. LOTS. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidesaddle queen Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 y'all will have to run me off with a big stick to get me gone.. lol!!! this is much better than facebook!! i love the way the conversations morph... lol!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 We ARE a pretty morphy bunch. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Audie Morphy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daswulf Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 Abby Normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 When the pitties are making noise, they’re audi-bulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott NC Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Daswulf said: Abby Normal. "If I only had a brain" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 A previous cat we had was named "Abby Normal". We've also had Thing and currently Morticia and Gomez. The barn cats are Blackie, Whitey, Marmalade and Momma Kitty who has Biscuit currently unweaned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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