Ragnarok Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 hey, I've got my eye on an electric forge blower, but the speed controller is missing, can anyone tell me where i can get a speed controller from or what the proper name for them is, and how much it's likely to cost... Or is it better to just put a valve in the air way and have an on/off switch? thanks all Rune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danz409 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 i got one of these for mine and works like a charm: Dimmer switch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share Posted September 3, 2009 ahh! good idea i wondered if they would work, wonder if there are industrial ones, in metal cases... I'll go to the local electrics supplier tomorrow and see what they have, so basically any power controller should work? thanks a lot really helps :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danz409 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 if you want something that can take a beating then, you could always use a air gate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share Posted September 3, 2009 yeah that''s what i was thinking just like a butterfly valve in the pipe or something would probably do the job fine, should be ok to leave a forge blower motor running full speed and close of the air shouldn't it? heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danz409 Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 dunno about those. arnt those a lil pricey? i thank they can be easly made. peace of sheet metal and a segment of pipe that you dont mind cutting a slit in. heck there might even be a BP on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share Posted September 3, 2009 dunno, i just like the little cast iron housings they have I;m after i used one anyway... new they are expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Einhorn Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 The switches are called rheostats http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheostat#Rheostat, What is a Rheostat?. Be sure to: - match the rheostat to the amperage of the motor - make sure the motor will work properly with the rheostat. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.w.s. Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I use a dimmer style switch for ceiling fans on mine - works like a charm - I've burnt a few standard dimmers out before I decided to switch.. maybe they'll work for you, too. First though I'd check to make sure the draw of the fan is within tolerance of the switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbob Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Grainger here in the US sales a Speed Controls for Universal type AC/DC motors ...says use only with universal brush-type motors cost is $40 -$50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share Posted September 4, 2009 ok thanks for the help guys hopefully somewhere around here will have a variable speed control for motors other wise I may try the dimmer switch type thing :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Einhorn Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Grainger here in the US sales a Speed Controls for Universal type AC/DC motors ...says use only with universal brush-type motors cost is $40 -$50 JimBob makes very good points: - An online site sells motor speed controls: ... AC speed controls http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/guideBrowse.shtml ... DC speed controls http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/guideBrowse.shtml - These controls are designated for use with only "universal motors". Be careful when working with electricity: - any electrical part used that is less than the amperage of the motor/fuse combination can cause an electrical failure resulting in serious harm to your or your family and/or a fire. - the wrong type of controller/motor or fan rheostat/motor combination could seriously damage an expensive motor. Disclaimer: I am not an electrician and do not claim any expertise in wiring, electricity or motors. Use my opinions and dumb ideas at your own risk. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbob Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 a lot of the tools that harbor freight sales have AC motors of the universal brush type that could be adapted to use as a blower motor...you don't see many brush type motors anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share Posted September 4, 2009 unicorn, yeah I know I'd check with the guys at a really good electrics shop before I linked it all up don't worry I wired in my work shop my self including all the welder power lines and trip switches, in fact it's almost imposable to get any electric shock or fire from a modern uk electric supply anyway. thanks for the advice jimbob, anvils. co.uk and glendaleforge uk both make blowers with brush motors still :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecelticforge Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 You can get air gates cheap. Just make sure the thumb screw is facing away from your fan. Blacksmiths Depot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share Posted September 4, 2009 ahh i'd just make one :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbob Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 [ jimbob, anvils. co.uk and glendaleforge uk both make blowers with brush motors still Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thingmaker3 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 While an SCR-type light-dimmer or a rheostat might work fine & dandy on a "universal" motor, they don't do so good with an "induction" (aka "squirrel cage") motor. With an induction motor, there will be a fairly big range where the motor just sits there and gets hot. It is not good for motors to just sit there and get hot. Speed controllers for induction motors are quite complicated, and therefore expensive. Note also: some motors are "self-cooled" and must be run at full speed to avoid over-heating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 Jimbob. yeah they still make them but the cost over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 correction, over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrispy Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Rune, I have an electric fan on my forge . It is a brush type motor from an old hand drier (the type found in toilets to dry your hands after washing them). Electric brush motors can be speed controlled with a simple speed controller that I made up in kit form from Tandys or Dick Smiths ( electronic shops) for around $30. Gives a good variable range of speeds from a slight trickle to a full blast which holds a ping pong ball hovering over the tuyere. I can't fault it and I picked it up in a scrap yard for free. It came complete with the squirrel cage as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrispy Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Rune, It is also as quiet as a church mouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 ahh interesting sounds very good :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockstar.esq Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 I tried using a sliding air valve with my blower running full speed but I only succeeded in choking off the air flow till it was just a small but really forceful jet of air. Slowing down the blower using a dimmer switch was much, much better. It's worth noting that Universal brush type motors are a combination of AC and DC motor designs and they are intended to maintain their torque throughout the speed range. Most power drills, saws, etc fall into this group. A simple squirrel cage blower motor like those used on residential furnaces, exhaust fans, and the like will have lower torque at lower speeds but spinning the fan isn't hard on it and you won't need as much current. Lower current draw means you can use the el-cheapo dimmer switches sold at hardware stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 thanks for the info rockstar :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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