Mojo1977 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Hi, I am currently working on the restoration of gates and railings for a church in Ireland. They were installed circa 1830 and have footings set in lead within a limestone capping. WE are currently trying to plan their removal. The railing sections have 6 footings per section and melting the lead would prove tricky at all these points simultaneously. We are considering cutting at the stone capping and removing the footings individually and re-welding the footings back on to the railing. any comments would be welcome also is their a les toxic alternative to lead out there for re-fitting?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lumpkins Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 seems to me that you could melt the lead and dip out the lead from one hole before going to another hole. or dig a hole beside each place and melt the lead and let it run into the hole that you dug out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragons lair Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I would cut them off about 2" up. heat the bar till the lead melts and pull it out. There are many types of epoxy that work fine. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 There are specialized epoxies that are used to set bolts for industrial machinery which work excellently. Generally you don't have to melt all the lead out to get the railing out. Heating the iron and shaking will usually free it enough to be lifted out if there are no protrusions on the bottom. The shaking will enlarge hole in the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petere76 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Mojo, Did a job in Nothern Jersey where we pulled old railing sections out of drilled fieldstone. We heated the bar close to the lead setting and shook the assembly. The lead loosens up and allows the bar to come free. I noted some of the bars at junctions were extrta deep set in the stone and they had a twist on the end to hold fast. We first tried to heat the stone area in hopes of melting off the lead but some of the stones fractured with the heat. Our method of choice on that particular job was heating the bar. As an alternative to lead setting consider using a poly based resin manufactured by the Philadelphia Resins Corporation. The prodcut name is "Chock-Fast". The product is ideal for harsh enviroment applications, it is not effected by temperature vibtration or moisture and it is reasonably priced. The cure time is depedent on the volume of the set but within 24 hours the product has sufficently hardened to be machined. Good luck, Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWooldridge Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I agree with heating the bar. In addition, you can probably put a hi-lift jack under the sections and lever them out. There is some risk of breaking the stone if there is an undercut but it should pull as a lump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meinhoutexas Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 would you be able to get compressed air to this ? imm thinking you could melt the lead then "blow" the puddle out of the way . and if you had some ko wool to catch it the greenes would be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fe-Wood Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Heat the bar to melt the lead, shake railing to loosen holes, remove- Use Mounting epoxy or fortified grout for remount. What ever you do, don't heat the stone to melt the lead. Cutting is a good option (as high above ground level as you can) if you can't loosen one post at a time. Last thing I would try is blowing hot lead out of a small hole....kinda like blind cutting with a plasma cutter...Make sure the insurance is up to date:rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo1977 Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 Some great adice folks. I think heating the bar and shaking the reailing is worth a go. Designing a jacking system also so will see how it goes. There are 4 or 5 fottings per section so trying to heat all together may prove difficult unless I can work along each one. HEating the stone is not an option and the way the footings are designed the ball shape covers the opening in the stone completely - these guys meant these railings to stay in place! Job starting next week so will let you know how I get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 180 years from now, when they go to restore it again, how will the smith remove the epoxy footings? Can they be burned out or broken down chemically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devon blacksmith Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Hi we remove and replace lead set railings all the time and we just drill four holes in the lead and then force the lead into the holes then the railings will lift out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo1977 Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 I have thought of that - hence we won't use epoxy around the footings. I think lead is probably the best option here. Would only use and epoxy if we were leaving the footings in place and drilling anchor holes into the footings themselves in which case they could be cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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