Bob JS Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 I have to anvils, 1 hardie is 3/4 the other is 1 1/2 inch, any suggestions on hardie tools to fit both. Pipeliner32 how about a stepped shank - small bottom half and bigger top half. You would then need to make a steel plate (like a square washer) that fits the smaller shank diameter and provides a nice big shoulder so as not to damage the anvil. (if difference in shank width is small and hardy is well chamfered it might jam) You would have to check this idea out with a more experienced smith first. Heres a quick sketch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 5, 2009 Author Share Posted May 5, 2009 bobjs that is a really good idea. that wil be useful later on (when there is more then one anvil nearby0 :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbob Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 i wonder, is there a way to make a guotine without welding? that would be a really cool tool. thanks for the replies. have you checked out the The Smithin Magician from the BLacksmith JournalBlacksmith's Journal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 5, 2009 Author Share Posted May 5, 2009 that looks great jimbob, but i do not have an oxy torch or $100 ( ran out of cash getting an anvil). thanks for the idea though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbob Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 it looks to be four small welds to hold the up rights to the base a welding shop would no doubt do it for a small fee ...maybe you have a friend with a welder... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob JS Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 it looks to be four small welds to hold the up rights to the base... Which could possibly be replaced by angle iron and tapping holes (or even nuts and bolts if you dont even have taps and dies) Where there is a will there is a way - its not always about having enough money to buy the perfect tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 5, 2009 Author Share Posted May 5, 2009 i think i do actually. thanks, although now i have to pay off my mom for the anvil. i will totaly get that thing asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbob Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Which could possibly be replaced by angle iron and tapping holes (or even nuts and bolts if you dont even have taps and dies) Where there is a will there is a way - its not always about having enough money to buy the perfect tools. Even counter sunk rivets ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 5, 2009 Author Share Posted May 5, 2009 (edited) i can do rivets! i can even copy the idea and make my own guiltine out of scrap metal plates. thank you all should i normalize a hardy tool or temper it to dark blue? Edited May 5, 2009 by new guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 5, 2009 Author Share Posted May 5, 2009 i normalized my hardy cutter today as i was forging up a knife ( a little baby skinner). i thiink that i will quench it and temper it to a dark blue. does that sound about right? or should i normalize it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob JS Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Lets have a look then. Photos please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 6, 2009 Author Share Posted May 6, 2009 (edited) ok i will have photos asap. it was still hot and cooling off when i edited my last post. all of the things i mentioned were actually still hot. i think i can have photos this afternoon. Edited May 6, 2009 by new guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Images of hot an cooling things make great pics too!! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 6, 2009 Author Share Posted May 6, 2009 yeah that ought to be edited. sorry pics are in the pipes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 No edit necessary I just meant you don't always need a table-top back drop. Straight out of the fire, smoking at the end of the tongs, or just after the scale is brushed off. Work in is raw state makes some cool pic if done right. I take my camera to the forge/shop every visit :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 ok yeah still a good image though and here it is along with my little baby skinner. oh yeah and somehow i really don't get alot of scaling in my forge. i burn alot of wood with a little blower. thanks for the posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reid Neilsen Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 (edited) I just thought I'd throw this in: Not all hardie tools need be made from carbon steels. I have a set of swedges I made a few years ago that are made from heavy mild steel and they have held up nicely They will certainly last longer the harder they are. Of course, I also have a big anvil with a 1" hardie hole and therefore a pretty thick shank...I dont think Id trust a 1/2 " shank in mild steel at all though. I dont know how well it would hold up under any use. Who knows? Edited May 14, 2009 by Reid Neilsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Older anvils tended to have smaller hardy holes and they were using soft wrought iron as well. You probably adjusted your working methods to your equipment's capabilities just like nowdays... I have 3 anvils that have a 1.5" sq hardy hole and that's a heck of a shank in cold steel! Since many people use hollow sq tubing for hardy tooling shanks I think that they don't get as much force on the shank as you might think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 (edited) actually i lied about the weight. i just guessed how heavy it was when i picked it up. there is a 1-8 on one side 180lbs! thanks for the posts and the hardy is 7/8ths! darn spacial perception! i also just remembered it is not in hundred weights but with the last number omited. i will weigh it asap for those of you who care about how heavy it is. Edited May 15, 2009 by new guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piglet_74 Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Do you have any pics of your anvil? If you can get any markings off of it I can look it up for you. The 18 may be part of the year. My mom knew I was into smithing and found an anvil for me for Christmas. She said it was pretty small like 50lbs but the guy she bought it from said it was good. When I saw it I realized it was a Kohlswa. I thought it a little heavy for 50lbs so I hopped on the bathroom scale with and without the anvil and it turned out to be about 70lbs. :-) Anyway, let me know and congrats on the find. Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) the fisher norris anvils (i think) have the weight with only the first 2 numbers cast in. and i doubt i can find them again. oh, well. i will see if i can take pics. i may or may not be in the pics. but if i am i am 6'2" and, is this the right term(?), well built. and thanks. and congrats to you to rob. i hear kohlswa are great anvils. and this things was at least 120. but yeah 18may be part of the year. and this puppy is hefty hefty hefty. well pics and an actualy weight may be on the way, but honestly i don't care about the weight enough to unspike it form my anvil. yes i did hold it down with 4 rr spikes. although, i do love my anvil. man your first real anvil is a memorable experiance. good luck with all of you rsmithing ventures. Edited May 22, 2009 by new guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piglet_74 Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Thanks, yeah actually I didn't know she was getting it for me so I went and bought a 100lb Trenton a few months before. It had the serial number on the base and I liked the idea of knowing the age so I asked for the book from my wife. It turned out to be from 1924. It's almost like knowing the age puts a face on it or something in my mind I guess. unfortunately the Kohlswa only has the name and a faint marking. I may have to try Frosty's idea for anvil forensics. He mentioned using strong light from one steep angle and then the other and photoshop them together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Shoot with one color from one side and another from the other for max contrast. Congrats on the anvil. Frosty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piglet_74 Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 Ahh thanks. I forgot that part. I'll have to use red and blue and see if those 3d glasses I've been hanging onto work. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 22, 2009 Author Share Posted May 22, 2009 ok wil do. i just have to get home from school and finish my homework. but, all work and no play makes you a dull boy :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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