That helps a lot actually. I had read about Frosty’s naturally aspirated ribbon burner and I had thought about trying it but wasn’t sure. Sounds like you have stated a lot of what I already suspected. I agree that I rarely hear more than 6 inches u less it is to bend or twist something. I may just leave the current set up how it is for when I need something like that and build a smaller one that will heat a lot better and will be used most of the time. Thanks for your input it was greatly appreciated.