Thanks. I don't disagree, I was just wondering what you do and make. I had a chance a few years ago at a job at a foundry here that does premiere work and made bronze statues, but they couldn't pay much and had no insurance so I had to pass, so I know what you mean. But it was hard to pass. They have an extrodinary niche. I could have learned so much, I think. I was just wondering what you produced. I guess I have decades of off and on experience too, but haven't done it for years and don't intend to anymore. But iron might be in possible future....